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Interview with Richard Clemens. eel and crab fisherman 10-26-95

Linda: Well, tell us first what it is you do.
Richard: Well, I'm a commercial fisherman. Basically I crab and eel, that's all I do. Nothing
else. I don't do any catfish or anything else.
Linda: And what do we do with eels...
Richard: Well eels is, like crabs, I sell them. We, accomidate Delaware Seafood and
Pennsylvania sends the truck down every 10 days during the wintertime. They pick the eels up
and pay us for them, they haul them back up there, and then they ship those over seas.
Linda: Oh, so people eat them.
Richard: Oh yeah!
Linda: Now, Americans don't eat them...
Richard: Yes they do.
Linda: They do?
Richard: They do.
Linda: I never see them...
Richard: ...Well, it's mainly up north. You don't see it too much down in this area. Now the
Japanese restaurants, some down here will buy them. But actually, it's a better market than
crabs.
Linda: Oh really?
Richard: It is, a lot better. In fact, they just called last week and said they're starting this year at
$2.00 a pound, $2.20 a pound. Which last year they started at $1.50 a pound. And by Christmas
they should be three to three and a quarter a pound.
Linda: And how's the supply?
Richard: Well, the supply's not as good. We've overfished it, like everything else. But right
now we can do good at it because the year where it's on, it'll drop down.
Linda: So do you crab and eel all year round?
Richard: No, we really don't crab until, in this area, until the springtime. And then we'll crab
through the fall. Then in the fall we'll start feeling, and we'll eel up until around December
probably. Then after that we become migrate crabbers, we travel. And we may go south, or we
may go to the west coast, or somewhere.
Linda: Oh, so when you say travel, away from home?
Richard: Oh yeah. I spent five months in the Everglades a few years ago. Everglades City.
Linda: What happens with the family? They stay behind?
Richard: No, my wife comes. I only have one child and he's 28 years old now. And my wife
comes on the weekends, or I come here on the weekends, or she may come out and spend the
week. Pretty accustomed to it.
Linda: And, can you explain how you catch the crabs?
Richard: Well, basically we use a regular crab trap. Bait it up, put it out, and hope you catch a
crab. If you don't catch one, you pick the trap up and move it to another area and put it out and 3 ,
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really, it's a hunt process all the time. And different times of year, like when the weather turns
cold here, they'll move out of the river. The males will stay behind, the females will leave. But
the males that stay behind bury up in the mud. And they don't feed. It's almost like a
hibernation. They feed, but it's very limited.
Linda: Can you explain what a crab trap looks like?
Richard: Well, it's a, the law states that it cannot be any bigger than 24 by 24 by 24 square. It's
got either two or four entrances for the crabs. Then it's got a baffle in the middle of it, and a
baitwell in the center. Put the bait in the center, the crabs come into it, and once they feed,
they'll start to go out, they'll climb to the top. So they'll go through the baffle then they'll hit the
top part of the trap, and that's how we catch them.
Linda: And are eels caught in the same manner?
Richard: Ells, basically the same manner. It's a smaller trap, smaller mesh wire. And that's
basically the same thing. There's a dozen type of different eel traps. Depending on what people
want.
Linda: And what size are these eels?
Richard: Well, the biggest one I caught was six and a quarter pounds.
Linda: Now, how did you get started in this business? Was it a family thing?
Richard: No, it was boredom. I was an automobile mechanic for 22 years in one of the major
dealerships in Jacksonville. And I'd bought a place down here for a summer home on weekends,
so it got to the point, we started living down here all summer and my son was, been skiing and
riding and boat riding and he was a teenager at the time, and I met a lot of the crabbers. So it got
to the point that he burning more gas than I could make in a day, so I said, you know, you keep
this up, you're going to have to do something. So one of the crabbers down there was a good
friend of mine, so I said, well, I'll just buy him 50 crab traps. He can go out there in the
morning, run his crab traps, take them to the crab plant, sell his crabs. And then the week, he's
got money to buy gas all week. Well, it worked in that, and I guess into the first summer, he had
enough money to pay his expenses all year. What he wanted to do. So this went on two or three
summers. Like I said, I got bored with my job. And I decided, I was going to quit, so I, you
know, gave notice, and I hadn't decided to crab. I had no idea, really what I was going to do. I
gave him through my summer to { }, because I was the hundred percent best in
profit sharing. Which was a mistake, I should have never have told them that far ahead. Well
anyway, I was thinknig about opening up my own dealership, well, not a dealership, but a repair
shop in St. Augustine, I checked around on it, and when the EPA, the regulations like they are,
and I looked at a fuel station which I wanted to buy. But it still had gas tanks in the ground.
Well, when I got through figuring it all up how much it would cost me to get the gas tanks out of
the ground, have the dirt hauled off, treated, and brought back, it was out of the question. So I
told my wife, I just, I think I'm going to crab.
Linda: How many years was that?
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Linda: So, has it been enough to pay the bills and...
Richard: I make about half what I used to make. But I feel better. I enjoy what I'm doing. And
we get by.
Linda: How did you learn to crab?
Richard: Like I said, I met some friends, after we moved down here { } during
the summer and I met the crabbers, they, I went up a lot on weekends to help them, just to piddle
around and do something. And I liked it, and I saw what they were doing and just basically did
the same things. What little bit I did learn, From then on improved on it, and I found out the
more I learned, the less I knew about crabbers.
Linda: Did you make any great big mistakes in the beginning that you look back on now?
Richard: Not really. I went into it kinda cautious. And I didn't jump, you know, head over
heels into it. I just kinda played it by ear. I didn't make a lot of big mistakes, I'm sure I made a
lot of mistakes, but it was minor stuff. But, I would probably make the same mistakes today,
because it's not like you pick up a book and read and say this is what you do on day one, this is
what you do on day two. It's just, and the river changes every day. And what I did last year may
not work this year. So it's not a thing you can say this is how it's going to do.
Linda: As you said, the river changes and the crabs move. Does experience kind of guide you
and tell you where to go, or is it really a new game every day?
Richard: yes, both questions. Experience tell you basically where they should be at certain times
of the year, but it may not be that way. But you know, at least you've got an idea where to start.
If it doesn't work from there, then you've got to do something else. Like I say, every year is
different.
Linda: Can you recall any amusing stories from your early days?
Richard: I could think of an amusing story, but you couldn't put it on my tape! We travel a lot
during the winter, and we went to Oak Hill one winter. That's just north of Titusville, I don't
know if you know where it's at. I was going to ski the lagoon and we were driving up there, saw
this sailboat, it was anchored right where our crab traps were at so we came up to the, there was
several guys on it. So we didn't pay much attention to it so we went around the boat, went
around and started pulling our crab traps. Well, we came back up, one trap { }
the boat. I went and pulled the trap, and by the time I pulled the trap and got it raised up, this girl
comes walking out of the back of the sailboat completely naked with two drinks in her hand.
The boy that was helping at the time, I reached up and tapped him and I said 'Jim, look here,' he
says, 'What, these are steady green crabs,' I said 'Jim, look here,' and he said 'They're green
crabs,' I, 'Jim, look here,' he said 'Well, what the hell do you want me to see?' and he looked up
and said 'Oh my gosh,' and damn near fell out of the boat. And the same time we were down
there they had some dolphins in there released from some, because they'd been tagged. And we
S first { }, there was an {idle} zone coming out, ski the lagoon. Well, there's all kinds of
boats around, you know, regular party boats, stuff like that, and the dolphins wouldn't bother
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on the boat and you've got to feed them because if you don't feed them, you don't catch a crab.
Linda: Why is that?
Richard: They'll follow the boat, and as soon as you bait the trap and drop it, they go down and
roll it upside-down and get the bait out. So this went on for a couple of months, one day we said,
well, we're going to fox them this time. Instead of starting right there when we come out of the
{idle} zone, we'll run to the far end, and crab on the way back. So we took off, which about, in
that boat it was about 45-50 miles an hour. We didn't pull two traps, the was both those dolphins
right beside us, jumping out of the water squeaking, wanting to be fed. So you had to stop and
feed them. We got to the point where we carried an extra { } of bait every day, and we'd sit
there and feed them until they finally had enough, then we'd go and crab.
Linda: Was it the same two dolphins?
Richard: Same two dolphins. One was tagged 56, and I can't remember what the other one was
tagged. But both of their dorsal fins had been tagged. But 56, it'll come eat out of your hand.
He'd jump up on the side of the boat and lay up on the boat and you could pet him, do what you
want to do. But he wouldn't go to the, you know, pleasure boat, they wouldn't get close to them.
But a commercial boat, as soon as they spotted them, they'd go straight to them. And you just
have to feed it and that was it. Then we were in the Everglades one time, we were pulling some
traps, and had one we couldn't get up. And the water was clear, it was only about 6'1". I kept
pulling this trap, and pulling it and pulling it. Finally I stopped the boat and looked down, there
was a big turtle laying on top of it. And he wouldn't get off the trap. And we finally tied it to
the back of the boat and drug it to get him off.
Linda: He wanted the trap that bad?
Richard: Well, they'll tear the traps up. They'll tear the whole side of the trap up to try to get
the crabs out of it. That was about the only...
Linda: How big was this turtle?
Richard: He was as big as this tabletop. But he was laying right on top of the trap, just laying
there. And I pulled him, we've got an electric puller on the boat, and I hooked it to it and just
rrrrrrrm. And it stopped, and I said there's nothing { } sandbar. I tried it again, it
still wouldn't move. So I, and the water was clear, but I didn't look down. So finally we cut the
boat off, put it out of gear and eased back, I started pulling by hand. I got back to the trap,
looked down, and the turtle was laying on top of it. And he was wrapped around it holding on to
my trap. It's interesting, it never gets boring.
Linda: I asked E.J. Pasetti if I could go out with him one day.
Richard: Well, that's a touchy thing, insurance-wise. See, it's almost impossible to get liability
insurance on a commercial boat. And I've got liability if I hit somebody. But any crew member
of the boat, I don't. Or anybody on the boat, I don't. And I know the working guys don't either.
You can't afford it. And that's the reason everybody says no when someone wants to go on the
boat. It's just, you can put yourself in a bad position in a hurry.
Linda: Are there any special skills you think, I don't know what you call yourself, a crab



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fisherman needs?
Richard: Well, we just call ourself a commercial fisherman. A lot of patience. And just to be
able to do the elements and enjoy it. I think enjoying it is a big skill you need to be a commercial
fisherman. Because if you don't enjoy it, you can't do it. Of course, I guess any profession is
like that. If you don't enjoy it, you're not going to be one hundred percent in it and you're not
going to be good at it. And I love it. I'd work seven days a week, I'm bored when I'm off.
Linda: Are there women doing this thing?
Richard: Yes, there's one that I know of that's still out there. I can't remember what her first
name is now. Her name is Sampson, they live in St. Augustine, and they're, they've got a crab
house somewhere. It's right off { } Street. I've been there before but I can't remember.
She does, Jeannie Sampson her name is. She's probably in her 60's but, I think could probably
outwork me.
Linda: Today?
Richard: Today. That's the only woman we've got left that I know of. And she's a good
crabber. And she runs her own boat. In fact her husband's got his own boat and they have
nothing to do with each other. I mean, her crabs are her crabs, his crabs are his crabs and that's
the way they work.
Linda: Are there any special sayings or expressions in your business?
Richard: Well, there probably is...what do they call the...they call them floatpullers. Which is a
guy that won't go hunt crabs, they'll ride around in the afternoon after everybody finishes and
pull people's traps, see who's catching what and then put their traps in. And they call them
floatpullers. They pull the floats to see what everybody's catching and then they put the traps on
them. But that's about it. A lot of things they call them, but you can't put that on tape.
Linda: Do you know who these people are?
Richard: Well, you do, when you go out there and you find later that you're catching a few crabs
there, and you come out the next day and the guys put fifty traps to every ten you have. He
didn't put them out there hoping he'd catch a crab. He checked to find out if the crabs were there
before he put the traps out. Now if he comes down and puts ten or fifteen traps out in there, he's
looking for crabs. But when he puts that many in one spot all at one time, he knows the crabs are
there. That's because he pulled somebody's traps and checked.
Linda: What I meant when I said do you know who these people are. The people that do this on
kind of a regular basis?
Richard: yeah, yeah they do. I know some of them. A lot of them you don't know, I don't
know. But I know quite a few who do it.
Linda: What do the rest of you honest people do about it?
Richard: Basically you have to ignore it. You talk to them. That's about the only thing you can
do. You don't get any help out of the authorities unless you've got a picture of them doing it on
video tape. Now one day I did go up to a man and talk to him and I hit his boat a little harder
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anything, not this day and time.
Linda: What do you like best about this business?
Richard: Basically I'm my own boss. It's quiet, it's peaceful, I go by myself. I just, really I
enjoy the whole business. It's just something I've always liked the water. I used to work five
days a week, so I get two days off to go in the water. So I quit my job and I go in the water
seven days a week and get paid for it.
Linda: Is there anything you don't like about it?
Richard: Well, I don't like the fact that somebody pulls my traps and checks them, I don't like
that. I don't like the fluctuation in price.
Linda: How much does it fluctuate?
Richard: It can go anywhere from a dollor and a quarter a pound to forty cent a pound. The
weather's bad at times, I don't like travelling that much. Now, some areas I go to, to me it's
more of a vacation. Especially when my wife goes. I enjoy that. We crabbed at { } for
two months and I didn't like that at all.
Linda: Where's that?
Richard: It's close to Perry, on the gulf. But cold...it's the coldest place ever in my life. You
go out in the morning and there's ice on the boat.
Linda: I thought over there was always warm!
Richard: No, it's not. It's cold. I think, you know, the weather, and the fluctuation in prices, but
I think the good point about it offsets that. I wouldn't change it.
Linda: What is your son doing today?
Richard: Well, today he's got my old job.
Linda: Oh really? So he didn't want to remain a full-time crabber?
Richard: He did, but he wanted to get married and I finally sat him down after about six months
and explained to him, you know, married life is hard enough to start with. It's a lot of gives and
takes. But you don't want to be gone seven days a week, or gone two months at a time, or three
months at a time, or come home on Friday with no money. It's too much ifs in it. It's not a
young man's game. Like I say, a commercial fisherman's on the endangered species list in
Florida. They got rid of the net fishermen, it's going to keep on, they'll close the industry.
Linda: Do you want to expand on that?
Richard: Well, the sport fishermen don't like crab traps out there in the first place. They didn't
like the net fishing and the people that voted against the nets, most of them didn't know why they
voted against it anyway. They didn't realize the outcome of what they did. All the seafood
prices have gone up. Even my bait has gone up. So if my bait goes up, the crabs got to go up.
They actually want everything off the river other than sport fishing. And I can understand the
reason why. They thought the nets were tearing the weed lines down. They're not. The
S government is spraying the hyacinths, they're killing the hyacinths, which is doing away with
their bass fishing. It's not the fishermen that are doing it. The government complains about us
running over the manatees, well, they've destroyed their natural food source so the manatee now












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is forced to the middle of the river for food. So we lose more manatees. But they blame it on the
commercial fishermen. We're not doing it. It's the government that's doing it.
Linda: That's an aspect I never heard of.
Richard: Well, it's truthful. When you take an animal's natural food source away from him,
he's got to go somewhere else. Well, the hyacinths are a natural filter for the river. You destroy
them, there's nothing to filter it. There's no place for the small fish to hide. But everybody
blames it on commercial fishermen. The government's doing it.
Linda: When your son was younger, your wife obviously didn't travel with you when you had to
travel. Am I correct?
Richard: Well, I didn't quit until after my son was completely grown and on his own before I
quit my job.
Linda: Then my next question would be, probably not one you could answer, what do the
women of the commercial fishermen do?
Richard: Well...
Linda: Are they usually involved in the business?
Richard: My wife was heavily involved in it for a while. In fact, she helped down here. She des
my bookkeeping for me. And she helps me, if I'm rigging traps, I just { }, she paints the
floats, things like this. But other than that, no, she's not involved in it. One time she used to go
out on the boat with me.
Linda: And actually help?
Richard: Yeah. But she never did like water. So she finally quit. It was nice on the nice days,
but on the bad days, she didn't want to go. On cold days, which I was glad she did.
Linda: When you go out crabbing, try to paint a picture for me. You go out today and you pull
up your traps...when?
Richard: Well, we usually leave here about 6:30 in the morning. And we start pulling traps as
soon as we get to them. And we pull each trap, dump it, rebait it, and put it back in the same
location unless it's not catching. If it's not catching, we put it on the boat and carry it
somewhere else. But we try to put them in lines, you know, keep them in a straight line. So you
may have 20, 30 traps in one area in one line. Which you may have ten lines in place or you may
have a line with fifty traps in it, depending on how the crabs are running. They may bunch up in
one small spot, or they may be scattered, you just don't know. But every day we move traps, or
almost every day.
Linda: Do you deliver whatever crabs you have on a daily basis?
Richard: Every day.
Linda: How many different, I don't know what you would call this, a crab factory?
Richard: It's crab plants.
Linda: how many different crab plants do you supply?
Richard: The only thing I sell here is what you call peelers. That's one that's going to shed out
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Alex {Seaton} it used to be Metcalf, but he changed it to Alex {Seaton }. I sell all of them there.
I don't run around to the fish markets trying to sell them, it's too much of a hassle. The time you
get there they want four boxes, you get there they decide they don't want but two, now you're
stuck with two more you've got to get rid of somewhere.
(irrelevant conversation)
Linda: Another thing I wanted to ask...Do you live in this area right here?
Richard: Yes.
Linda: Do you feel that this is a fishing community that you belong to?
Richard: To a certain extent it is. There's quite a few fishermen down here, but the majority of
the people aren't involved in the fishing industry. I think it's people that just want to get away
move down here, then a lot of them got into fishing. { } it's hard to call it really a fishing
community. There's a, probably there's not in this area. I'll say maybe it does and it doesn't
have people that are involved actually as far as fishing.
Linda: And do you, those of you that are involved get together, I don't want to say on a regular
basis, but do you get together from time to time to do, I don't know, celebrate or do anything
together?
Richard: Not a whole lot. Because by the time we, most of us get in, there's so much work to be
done, by the time you're through with it, you really don't feel like going out with anybody.
Now, if the weather's bad we might gat together, sit down, drink beer or something like that, or if
we into one of them somewhere, we'll sit down and joke around. But as far as actually getting
together and, you know, having parties and stuff, we don't.
Linda: And there's no fisherman's hangout around here somewhere?
Richard: No, not really. Well, now this morning there was, the boat ramp. There was about ten
out on the boat ramp because the fog was so thick you couldn't go out.
Linda: Because what?
Richard: The fog was so thick. We sat out on the boat ramp for about two hours, waiting for the
fog to lift a little bit. But as far as a hangout, no. It's, none of them really go anywhere or get
together. Most of them pretty well stay home. In fact, when I do go out, there's no fishermen
going to where I go. The people I associate with, none of them are commercial fishermen.
Linda: Are there any crafts or trades that either you or other fishermen have engaged in over the
years to augment their salaries from fishing?
Richard: That I can't answer. I did that before I started fishing, so it's, no, I don't. Well, I say I
don't. This place, I do a lot ofmaintenence on it, plumbing work, pumps, electrical work, when
it needs it, stuff like that in the wintertime. Other than that I don't. And none of the rest of them
do that I know of.
Linda: This is such a weird question, I'm almost embarrassed to ask it. Are there fisher-families
that are considered extremely wealthy or extremely poor? And if so, what is the criteria?
Richard: Well, you know, I'd have to go by hear-say. I don't know for a fact on any of it. Now,
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making it these days. I don't know who it is, but I'm sure there is, but I do a couple of them. I
don't know who they are or anything. I've talked to them, I've seen them a couple of times, but
you can tell by the equipment they're using usually their financial state. If they have a little boat
with an old ten horse motor on the back of it and some beat up traps on it, they're in trouble. But
as far as who is and who isn't, I don't know. I'm sure there's more of them that are going day by
day than there are that is rich. I can tell you that.
Linda: Where do you all get your traps from?
Richard: Well, I've had several guys build them for me. I've bought a lot from a man down
south. Ninety percent of them have been built by different people you just, you go to them.
There's a guy on 210 who builts traps. There's a guy just south of Salt Springs who builds traps,
there's two women in Palatka that build traps. And that's basic, I need traps, I'll get the wire,
carry it to them, they'll build it and I'll pay them for it and bring my traps back.
Linda: Are there, again this is going to be community questions that may be difficult to answer
but, are there fishermen that are, kind of famous for their storytelling orsongs they've made up
or...
Richard: No, not in this area. None that I've seen. Well, they've got one they call Bull, Bull
Clark, and they didn't call him Bull because of his size.
Linda: Is he still around?
Richard: He doesn't crab anymore. He's just about got out of the fishing business altogether.
Linda: And tell me, why was he called Bull?
Richard: Well, I never did know because they were calling him Bull before I met him, and I
asked somebody one day and they said, "I can tell you right now, it's not on account of his size."
Linda: I realize you've been in this business ten or twelve years, but are there any, I don't know
if this is the right word, technological changes in this business. Any kind of there's nothing
technology about traps, but...even the traps themselves have they changed?
Richard: Well, where it used to, you'd go out with a hundred twenty, twenty five traps and make
a good living, where now it takes three hundred traps to do the same thing you were years back.
Of course we've got use of electric pullers now, which you don't have to pull it by hand
anymore, which { } a lot. They don't use wooden traps anymore, they use wire traps,
which is a lot lighter, and you can run a lot more of them. So it's changed quite a bit over the
years.
Linda: I didn't know that, I thought they were still made out of wood.
Richard: No, they're wire now.
Linda: You know, I just came from Maine and the traps there were still all wood.
Richard: You've got lobster traps, I think most of them maybe still made out of wood here.
Linda: Do you have any particular experiences with the new equipment that are memorable?
Richard: No, not really. It's just something you change like everything else. You know, stuff is
updated, and you just fall in with it. { }
Linda: Over the ten years you've been doing this have you always been just crabbing and feeling

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as you call it?
Richard: That's all. I don't do anything else.
Linda: Have you saved any memorabilia from your early days?
Richard: No, no. No, I don't. I don't save anything.
Linda: Do you plan on retiring?
Richard: Probably not. I just don't think I ever will. As long as I'm healthy and can do it I'm
not going to retire.
Linda: That's kind of a really nice thing to be able to enjoy your work that much that you want
to do it for a long time.
Richard: Well, I've seen so many of my friends retire, and just go downhill. And, as long as I'm
healthy and feel good about what I'm doing and I enjoy doing it, I'm going to keep on doing it.
Linda: Is there anyhting that you want to tell me about the business, about the atmosphere, or
anything that I haven't asked?
Richard: Not really. Like I said, it's just a business I believe eventually will be extinct. I think
eventually the state will put commercial fishermen completely out of business.
Linda: And what are we going to do for fish then?
Richard: Well, you're going to buy them from another state and pay three times as much. Or
we'll import them from Japan or Mexico or somewhere else.
Linda: That would be, for me, not a fish eater, that's really not the issue for me, but the way of
life would be disappearing and that's just a shame.
Richard: Well, California has basically already done it. They've just about put their commercial
fishermen out of business completely, and it's going to happen here. I'm just hoping it will last
another ten years, maybe fifteen years. But that's the reason I didn't want my son in it. I told
him it's not something that's going to be here from now on. It's going to go.
Linda: Has the net ban affected you in any other way other than the fact that the price of your
bait has gone up?
Richard: Well, really to me it hasn't affected me other than the price of bait. If I was a normal
shopper buying groceries it would've affected me or will affect me eventually because all of the
seafood markets are going to go up. Because any time you change one thing, something else is
going to pick up the slack for it. If you raise the price of this, something else is going to come up
for it. So if you're buying bait from out of town or out of state, they'll charge us more because
they know we can't get it, so everything we catch has got to go up. It's going to change a lot,
financially. Like say, for me directly it hasn't influenced me other than the price of bait.
Linda: Does your wife cook crabs?
Ricahrd: She does, but I don't eat them.
Linda: You don't eat them?
Richard: I do not eat crabs. I'm allergic to shellfish. She loves them.
Linda: How does she cook them?
Richard: Well, she'll boil them sometimes, she'll steam them sometimes. Soft shell crabs she












fries, or she puts them in the microwave and fixes them with garic butter and something like that,
or she'll put them on the grill and grills the soft shells. Like I say, I don't eat them at all, any
shellfish.
Linda: That's so ironic. Well, is there anybody else in your family that fishes?
Richard: Nope. My whole family is retired. I'm the youngest.
Linda: Well,I'm just about questioned out. That was a quick one, but it was interesting.
Richard: I hope I could help you!
Linda: What was real interesting, I especially enjoyed the three stories you told me in the
beginning.























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