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Subject; Jerry Locklear
Interviewer: Lew Barton
B: This is October 1, 1975,Q1I Lew Barton interviewing for the University of
Florida's History Department's American Indian Oral History Program. Today
we are in lj library of the American Indian Studies Center at 211 South
Broadway, Baltimore, Maryland, 21231. And with me is a young gentleman who
has kindly consented to give mean interview. Would you mind telling us what
your tame is please?
L: My name is Jerry Locklear.
B: Jerry Locklear. Where do you work, Jerry?
L: 4, council floor, American Indian Studies Center 213 South Broadway.
B: 4;@ that's the d- new Indian restaurant...
B: Open.=-S jht kind of work are you going to do ouer there?
L:I'm trying to be a cook.
B: Well,\ I looking forward to going over there and sampling your food, how dbout
L: T at' e nice.
B: How old are you Jerry?
B: Twenty-two. Are you married?
L: No sir.
B: You about to be?
L: Well, IVbeen thinking about it'but I ha committed myself just yet.
B: Well, thee' always plenty of time, there, isn't it?
B: How long ve you been in Baltimore?
L: I been here for a full year now.
B: About a year?
L: Four years.
B: Four years.
L: Yes ir.
B: Who were your parents? Or who are your parents?
L: my father's name is Edmund Locklear and my mother's same is Sarah Locklear.
B: *a= Do they live here in Baltimore?
L: No they live in New Hampton.
B:, I see. How many brothers and sisters do you have?
L: I have six sisters and three brothers besides myself, there% ten in the family.
B: Would you mind giving us their names; you wou dn'tknow their ages, too, would you?
L: Well I know about uft I have a brother named James frV__Iq Locklear.
B: U maiYa .,
L: Vrf hBS1 oldest. I have a sister named Edna Hamilton," LO ? ,
and S Faye /TS-O ( y C CLj Locklear, Connie Locklear,
Vivien Locklear ...
B: BBd=m. Well do you think you remember all their ages?
L: N6. I ) think so. I know about their age but not r as Oc-C-iU
B: Bamh. e i aeare you the oldest,-e.m..
L: -9 V)whllt called the knee-bender.
B: Just next to it?
B: Second youngest one, right? <, are you going steady? .. 4n.. anrf .gg.lr
L: I haC re t- S too.
L: I v. iP~-A4E bo ^__Ltoo.
B:- itfmav Here in Baltimore?
B: L s see. 1ta ^-' were.. you pla' to
make your home here, just while you're getting your training here or...
L: No, I dd'think so. I dn like the city.
B:'FTs certainly is a difference. What differences have you found- -
etween living t-I-Noeth Carolina and living here?
L: I would have to say the people, r C e oe, ,>.r
..-. -exposed to more people?
B: .....ina "r-- --iato-f f' i-trrI other -gltSklt-aat% do you thIi( city people
are generally sort of smart or vf good con-artists or that sort of thing?
L: They are all '_
B: I guess that not very complimentary to say. I they have more sophisticated
would you say? Put is that way?
L: You would have to say that they would have to be more sophisticated you would have
to say in general earlier, you know, like right around here I think so
because you is living in the ghetto, you know.
B: ieb A u somS smart people are living in the ghetto.
L: wa, that's)true too.
B: Sometimes you have, some of them feel t(t they have to be smart in order to
survive. You know. But you can be taken easier in the city than you can...
L: tai that' true.
B: ...out there in the country. more things neto. Well, how out
a young man like yourself, do you find it mqj exciting to live in the country or
B: Not more exciting cause I was raised, you know, in North Carolina, so
find North Carolina more exciting,
B: 'Itahe You plan to return someday?
L: Ye sir.
B:-=eiia. Have you found-i, being an Indian is a disadvantage or an advantage
n Baltimore? ,_____ ?
L: NA I on'.
B: Ted e do people treat you nicely, or r as nice or you just see
L: I don tsee any difference.
B: Do you think people are more prejudiced back home than they are herg, or more
pEedjudiced here, or is it about the same in (both places?
L: I would think in North Carolina they more prejudiced.
B: -ZSiEa How far did you go in school?
L: I finished'high school.
B: What school did you graduate from?
B: highschool? That Used to be the largest Indian school
in Robeson county, North aarolina. 'h,- course we don't have Indian schools
per se anymore tSQ theoretically, anyway. But there are still large ones.
Been closed to the Indian students, fairly large ones. 010 many of them.
do you go home very often?
L: I try to go home every six months. You how, to visit my mother and father.
B: *W-i. Do you try to go a the summer instead of the spring and fall?
B: You like to hunt and fish?
L; Yes, I love to hunt and fish.
B:-MEEB-R and do you o swimming when you get back home?
L: Now, when, when I was younger ajjfglM I used to go swimming a lot but now,
*W5 I grew out of that. I dn even go anymore. Might be because ve
moved to the city .pn rt .'i .- ii- I ) CJ d Ol 'h +.
B: Irt/not as vzzady easy to go swimming here, I guess.
B: Although this is on the waterfront, isn't it.
B: How far are we here H on South Broadway, how far is it to the waterfront?
L: W.in terms of miles, I would say about one mile.
B: BStSE Not very many blocks away, is it?
L: I guess so.
B: 'ligz.m Well do youth find more things to do in the city?
7 wJe vc,-
L: Yes ir. a lot more things to do but they ieast as exciting to me
than 49 in North Carolina. Going home and going fishing and
B: There% lots of bars around.
L: Fairly. Plenty Valcbohol.
B: Well, somebody this morning thought they was more bars than churches, I said
definitely. I guess there are more bars than churches. P -' ....
your C-t -=
499%Sei when you oget 773 training, you planning to move back to North Carolina
or wait a few years.
L: Well in two more year s'Uaplan to be living down there.
B: UEtlia; Do you like your work over at the annex?
L: Yestir, yes t I see whke I ban .: ( learn Q trade. People%
got to eat as long as they live.
B: S ( true. LI' litell you a good e- 3 'L demand
L: Certainly are irgreat demand.
B: ea what do you think of Women's Lib, with the Woman's Lib movement?
L: Myself, as being a man, I think great.
B:. You do! YouVspeaking fro strictly from a man's point of view.
L: Ye sir.
B: I3, you think th4e=axE women really are liberated?
L: = I think they should do just as much as a man. Provide.
B: You don) believe in the old double standard, do you?
B: t' alright for men to do certain things, but not women. how out4
Vmily connections> family y organizations you think the man should be the head
of the family? Or they should share?
L: % I think they would share.
B: Now (Q going to ask you a personal question, if you fdo't want to answer just
don't just says no comment or something. Do you think Indian women are pretty?
B: Prettier than anybody else?
L: Anybody else, yefsir. You know, I twenty-two years old, never went with
a white, nor black.
B: Is there much ever racial dating in Baltimore?
L: Ye sir.
B: How do you think our people are affected by that, 7W' Jerry?
L: as CI. I think they effect a great,-' -ause, 9 if all this integration keeps
a, the Indian peoples are ,5 become extinct sooner or later,
Gvoi40 1 -- cr,, :. 4 11 e1 r
B; Goaa become extinct Ciyou mean they cgaa marry outside thaw race until
th ere'sno race left.
B; Ar*A' th-iy t-mr ge -y t-. what kind of marriages take place, mostly?
2i white and Indian, or black and Indian.
L: Whites and Indian.
B: Are there very many black and Indian marriages?
L: No, I d t t many.
B: Very few. 8 I've known iub' one, I've only knowifof one marriage like this
since (Ie been in Baltimore, Qd this is far from the Lu beIndian, girl,
- where the'i.e)
married to a black gentleman.L Which, I n seernything wrong with an Indian
marrying a black, more than an Indian marrying a white but I been in, IVrather
people just marry -5 Con4
see the into their own race, you know. par as an Indian marrying a white, I d"moe.
-fOiU And if it were a black I wo 4dn'9, you know, it doa make any difference. Far as
white and black to us.
B: T-Mhi. Well do you think this kinB of marriage imposes a problem on the children?
L: a I think so AQSPain that, in living in this neighborhood, yeu -kaome,.4i.,
you know how kids xia they talk neighbors you know,
sometimes. t'sause '!iT hard for them to find identity when ht' 0 "41J .icY -,
B: How do black people'feel about Indian people more and more, are they friendly?
L: Ye4sir. because most of them have never seen one before around here.
B: VSr. What about white people?
L: Now they -6,eyr a, friendly, but I would say the blacks are more f edr
to an Indian than the white is to an Indian.
B: Enm=: Now do you plan to make v-f a career out of cooking?
B: I understand the pay is good for a good cook there, they hard to find.
L: good trade.
B:(M, do yo go to church anywhere?
B: How many Indian churches are there in altimore, do you know?
L: I only know of two.
B: Th re's)6ross Street Baptist Church.
L: And ui what is it, Baltimore Street church of God? Yt, th t'
B: Th Well there are supposed to be four or fime'Indians, Lumbee Indians
W- Q4 ekC^A6
In UiAtimore, course we have ,snsn other groups represented but those other
groups are small in number, aren't they? Do they usually settle in the Lumbee
L: No. Well, they so few now, they scattered around,
B;:4 Jm Do you ever come to the dance, Mr. Avery Lewise's ?
e- no4' &
L: Not recently, I havse, came but -em I have been.
B: ; .ff Oyou had a chance tb change anything you wanted to change about the
Indian community, what would you like to change or like to see changed?
L: Well, right now we got this small minority group in here fighting, or something,
you know and, I think th t wrong, you know, I would change that. I mean, instead
of they trying to pull us back, where we should be, progress, you know.
B: B .la7 Ss did you tell me how, you said you graduated Qm high school,
-jS what year did you graduate?
L: 3%-= j. IqntO7
B: In B 'S Probably, did you want to go to college?
L: No, not really.
B: Do you think you could have gone if you wanted to?
L: ('not interested.
B: I see. Well, not everybody wants to go to college, and I d' think everybody
L: No sir.
B: Perhaps people are happy doing what they enjoy doing,,,
L: Even the people who finiSh college man, they still unemployed, you know.
B: J m. hats true. How About prices here, do you think prices here are higher
448 back home?
L: Definitely, But the tda labor skills are higher herevo, it kind of evens up.
B: emV=-I Rent is pretty high, C'veeen pretty lucky with my apartment, but wb
living with friends, though, that helps. Mrs. '''.Locklear and her
husband.i wq chen you pick come over here, first get over here, people talk
funny to you don't they?
L: Everything' Specially living in the country
for eighteen years, and then you come to a big city like this, you really be
lost at first, but I was. But I had friends, you know, it idn take me too long
B: Um-m Now you don't notice any difference in the speech, do you.
L: Not no)a*mbtaew Eved when you know, when I go home I have some of my friends,
you know, at home,-4ite they talk, i I got a different accent, you know.
Tihe way I hb talking.
B: They say you picked up something awayjEa k.
L: Well, I did, you know,
B: I think you do it unconsciously. course I don;" see that it"affe ted me
any at all. A slow poke when I start talking. People have a tendency to talk
faster in the north and in the city. Say, will you talk faster. Pronounce
different words. Do you think most of the Indian people here plan to return
home some day.
L: Yes, most of them oa But i've known people that live here six, seven years,
and then they go back home. I know a lot of them that they did, they come up
there and save their money, go back home, buy them some land or whatever, you
B: Do you think the migration to Baltimore is as heavy now as it Osed to be or is
it leveling off or what? Do you think there are more Indiang coming to
Baltimore all the time?
L: h, rtlk, I think they keep coming but, 44a not any more, I d t) think,
Because 6f4 people, they keep coming in, they keep going, you know.
B:T "4mtMf-^ j's la. 1 Jd you tell me you never dated anybody outside your
L: Ye sir. yo, you probably knew my old lady, .
B: W-hk. Well, I want to with you a lot of luck in whatever you intend to do
and I'msre y do well at it. I q, certainly appreciate you giving us
this interview, is there ar thing ) like to fay, is there anything
like to say to other young people who are starting out in life?
L: No, all I got to say is, live and learn.
B: Play it by ear?
B:q.b=aa. Tat's good advice. And thank you so much Jerry I appreciate you giving ...
S--: Thank you.
S us this interview, I enjoyed it.