Title: Interview with Fanny Tyler (November 15, 1974)
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Title: Interview with Fanny Tyler (November 15, 1974)
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Language: English
Publication Date: November 15, 1974
Subject: Urban Lumbee
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UL 23A
Interviewer: Lew Barton
Subject: rdnt Tyler
November 15, 1974 .

B: November 15, .LX 4. 1iJnLew Barton interviewing for the University of Florida

history department, American Indian OralAProgram. This morning we are back

again on Broadway Street at the American Indian Study Center and with me is

a young lady who has kindly consented to give me an interview. Would you

tell us your name Miee?

T: iy.qy Tyler.

B: What- thaI las-am again?

T: T-yler.

B: H do-$a pe thaef-aSTrre d ?

T: J=y-_L-.r.

B: Could you tell us about your parents? Your brothers and sisters?

T: What do you want me to tell you?

B: Their names, where they live, their ages and their names if you would?

T: Mother's name is Louise Swift step-father' ill Swift.

B: How many brothers and sisters do you have?

T: I get four foster brothers and sisters.

B: Do you work over here at the center or do you visit? 3?.

T: YSah, I work here.

B: What do you do?

T: Well ih'e, ) played sometime: And ID, check up on kids that you-ktrw, dor

go up there to school.

B: YoC'e serving sort of truancy dAties right?

T: Yes.

B: Do you have many problems keeping them in the schools?

T: Wh. Like one, -14ee we got him cdut of school and at 12o'clock,


and e' suppospito come down here, and'give him something to dct ltee h '

started coming in the morning.and And-he-was--4eky

lik-e,he only had to go to school for a half a day and he 1\ __

and I went to his house and the man says that he was' home and the mother wan

home. 1r-A- Il-1 .. .. -':'

B: D.o-y.ever, how long have you lived here?

T: Seventeen years.

B: You're from ., ?

T: Whffe

B: Aie-you?

T: es, no, my parents are.

B: Usm-. H6w old are you? O_-shou-ad---a-ee?

T: Seventeen.

B: I see, well-U -yet, ycm been here then all your life have 't you?

And do you go to North Carolina very often?

T: Yes.

B: Do you have a lot of friends over there?

T: All my aunts and unclefre from there.

B: I see. Do you like working here?

T: -I gu

B: What do you plan to do when you get out of school?

T: Go to Qollege.

T: IWtt 'd like to be a phys. ed. teacher.

B: De-you, are you good in that class?

B:A You d6kjhappen to play on the girls softball team do you?

T: Yes.


B: Thaa-great. Somebody was showing a photo the other day ojfhe softball

team. I wish I had a copy of that to tell all the Indians boys about that.

T: Well)I was (n't)in that picture cause I did play for them that summer.

B: This is your first summer on that team?

T: No, see-last-stmmte I played fx-la-st-ummeY --that -us_-pa d, in .

B: Uam-Mt.

T: And I did'"tplay for them last year.

B: Ho the team doing?

T: Well, theytlimproved alot.

B: Did you get any victories?

T: They did, they did better than they did last year.

B: Wet"I, I wee enjoyed the ladies softball team action. I something to do.

isn't it?

T: Yes.

B: Is it a little difficult to find something to spend your time doing? Yoe-kow.

your free time? 6 talking about, young people?

T: Yes.

B: I guess Baltimore is like other large cities. They-have they do 't have too

many recreational areas. IA rt&. 4nd have you

decided where you want to go to college?

T: No.

B: How (bout your brothers and sisters( Could you tell us their names?

T: My oldest sister is Carol, shOsaarried and lives in North Carolina.

B: Um=bm. Wht1a her, whaCi) her married name?

T: Chavis. And Oy oldest brother, Larry, h- 26,I believe. Hu working. And

my brother Charles, h&- 24, aqd^got a brother, Terry, he's 23, I caZ

remember all their ages. And Kenny ies 22. Add Judy, she'b 21, and-shl2s

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T: And my sister, Faye, this is her last year in school, sh s planning on

going to college at but wants to be airline stewardess.

B: Ufatmenr -e-s 3 = _

T: Ant" ten r t-^L-em-ej-n then Im Youngest but my mother'sget four foster children.

Angie, shed fourteen, sh&'cd )going to school and she'siplanning on college.

And her $other Jean, he2s i going to school, and Jena, sl s)7, I believe.

And Erik.

B: You got a boyfriend?*

T: Like one, he always comes around my house al4the time.

B: Wellnot many girls 17 years old got 0 boyfriends but th4t's( the thing <_

AaO, is he Lumbee?

T: No, h's) seeI dot have time for boys.

B: Ao you doi't have to work too hard?

T: umaumk. And I have to go to night school.

B: What grade are you in? ?

T: Well I' in the tenth and the eleventh.

B: Um-tmr. How do you make out in school? Do yo have any problems with other


T: No.

B: Y6u e probable well adjusted and so forth. Do you encounter any ot r problems

among p)e students Jin your school?

T: What do you mean by that question?

B: Bo you see any of, do you come in contact with, or do you know about


T: No, I do thinkk so.

B: Um-um. Let's talk about young apple, how-s' that?

T: Alright.


B: Young people everywhere, whether 1it'Tndian students or whatever or-whoever,

they have problems when thqe'e growing upcmr at least I did, and everybody

I know about has some. How do you think young people feel about the generation

gap? Or do you believe that there is a3eneration gap? Young people unable

to talk to older people, frankly?

T: No. I think they can talk to them

B: That-s--good. That's) some encouragement. Do you,, de-yu usually go away for

the summer do you go to Carolina in the summerfusally?

T: Yeahwnas last summer.

B: You didiQ happen to get back for homecoming did you?

T: No.. I worked tashard, I walPsk .

B: You haven't really lived in No Carolina then have you?

T: No.

B: But owis-youw can you tell the difference or is there a difference in you

living there and living here, do you think?

T: i'dcrather live in the city. Thm-city.

B: You're well adjusted ar n'Nyou? N6t having been brought up in a rural area.

There is a difference between living in the city area and living in the country,

so to speak, rural area do you think people have difficulty making

adjustment betweenIcity and the rural area ?

T: About but I cant pronounce that word, that you said. Adjustments

or something?

B: What, um-um.

T: What do you mean?

B: Getting use to things and you know, following in line and going along,

working things out.

T: I couldn't)get use to down there. The work is too hard.

B: Will thsfarm life,


You know hew farms are getting larger and larger -.!- I.

There is )jas muchI-oft hat as there is to be. ) L C) ( YQ -I'-4- ,

T: Yeear.h'

B: Having lived in the city all your life I would imagine that it would be

about as hard to adjust to rural life as city life. 14-yoq if you had c

live back home you feel uncomfortable, now wouldntiou?

T: Yeah .i

B: Do you find people generallyrfriendly here as at home? O0 is there a difference?

T: Well I donf')really know because I1fe when IJ)down there I do have

the chance* to go to places.

B: Um-i. Do you think your parents, like most In ian parents little bit

strici? On their daughters?

T: Yes. Yes.

B: You think they're too strict maybe?

T: I think my mother is.

B: I guess you can go totfar in either direction. Y<.o-rnoW?

T: Y-aah.:- .,^

B: O- *3 .. That' why we have to strike a happy medium. Which

is not always easy. kou have counselors at school?

T: Yeh.d

B: Um-um. De--yo do they teach sex education in school ovut there?

T: Well I haven' had it yet.

B: I understand thatqmost schools they do it at one point or another.

T: We had it in elementary school and then junior high. I never had it yet in

high school, senior high.

B: Do you think it' a good course? Do you think they should have itl

T: Yes.

B: How do you feel? If that means anything I I think it' better -ta making


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Can you ask your counselor just act. anything
without r c Lc.. A-
without embar-ass-ing o- p L C=-?l-C -

T: Yes.

B: How about the"women's libber1s" ? ?

T: Yeswomen around here for "women's lib".

B: Are they making any impact on many of you, do you think thev'r- reaching nj-."a,

any of the women in the community? Or)they do have any problem at all a&

far as th unpopular or popular?

T: Unpopular.

B: Gousse go e not suppose to know everything, none of us are, but do you think

the drug problei)ta anhalcohol problemvaraehtey among young people? In this

part of the city?

T: Both of them.

B: Um-rmn. How about in the shjcbol, has it become a problem in the school?

T: Well some, somey-eeme bring it in school and like the a-e1-rAses, narcotic

police,--wed ther locked up a bunch o-+eo last year.

B: I understand that marijuana is pretty popular (r Seems to be.

T: t's)everywhere.

B: If sso wasy to produce it I think that it can grow about anyplace. Backyard,

or somewhere.

T:% Like now in my neighborhood like-+it-. rcerLhlle`ptr Thtea couple of

doorsfrom me is the guy who soo it like and the helicopter ha-seen- e-hhe'/

shines the light in our house, he,) around there all 6the time.

B: You can grow ityett-ean-grown-it' right in your backyard )cari& you?

T: Yes if you don't)get caught. Some people they-y they grow it in little flower

pots and they keep it in their houselAke and-they have a light over it.

B: Um=-u Well)I can imagine it would be hard to grow wholesale let-es-say--yu-7

knewr large quantities out in the opg> without being detected vwth a helichoper

-it- se 'likTe~t s..


T: Yes.

B: Are they pretty much on people who aricaught in state? ?

T: rWhat-to--y6 o eanii-b- ftuef?) tty-hard- like?

B: Are-they pretty-rough-.on, is-the-law-pretty-rouglhon ?

T: No. If it's)yofr first, ik-iti a t time getting jh N i the l

probably call your parents and let'you go 1orijf you IaM get busted with like

1e_ a nickel pot that s-slike-the-ycal+tu.-aiqek-tE et-hat s five dollars

worth, Jsr a I don't think they'lI) do much.

B: I want to ask you a question about interracial dating. But do it)anwwer any-

thing you don't'want to.

T: Wil -- t-e recorded ?

B: Um-um.- Well zuknow people_fromdifferent-ethl roups, people from different

races dating ,would you mind giving me your opinion6nh ri o do-"t-if -you

don't _want toif I ask- ou a personal question add -ou don't want to answer it

just say"I do"I '; tether not talk abo6t it'-OK?"

T: K----Do you want me to -Gome in'now?

B: Um-umi.

T: Well it'A most like this one girl that' what these blacks h' black girls,

you don't see many black girls with white guys. You see mostly white girls

with the black guys.

B: UM-um. That's interesting. Do you consider yourself Oo be a Lumbee?

T: No, my parents are Cherokee.

B: Um-um. But you have relatives that are?

T: Yes.

B: How, how do the Cherokee feel about the Lumbee Indiams? Generally, would youf

Do they feel a little of prejudice ?

T: No. I don't really know.

B: They don't make any difference in the way they treated you or?


T: No,

B: Um-um. As lt.b eOi -hzemuV..;ay-'e-&wm do you ever go to that?

T: No.

B: Um-um. Let's get back to interracial dating. How about Indian girls. and

white boys?

T: Welljhe's# sign a few in and the girls date, date white guys or blacks.

You aon't see that many.

B: Usually they stick to themselves right?

T: Um-um.

B: Course you don't know if you're gonna fall in ove or anything like that.

If you can have a choice would you, a fellow marrying ,' 0 ,i, ('

T: Yes.

B: Do you think our people are prejudice against ?

T: Not all of them but some of them are now, that don't like whites.

B: low 'bout blacks?

T: Well;like they get along better with black people then white.

B: How prejudice is the thing that you're working _? Do you

T: Yeah, I dance here but I'm not gk a, I'm not in a group or anything.

B: Do you do any Indian dancing?

T: Yeah.

B: Do you enjoy dancing?

T: Yeah, like.

B: It's beautiful isn't it?

T: Yeah.

B: They had a dance last night. Were you there?

T: I think, I wasn't here last night.

B: Um-um. Well they did but I don't know' : group was over. Which, which U-iaMa


dances do you like dancing to?

T: Well were you here that night when the Mudhawks and all these other nations

come here?

B: A week ago?

T: Yeah.

B: Um-um.

T: Well I like, I like those dances better than the dances we have, here.

B: They were fun dances were'nx they?

T: Yeah.

N: I'd like to leann more. I know a couple of them How 'bout

conventional dances? How 'bout the ?

T: No.

B: Things like this? Do you do them ?

T: Yes I think so.

B: Which, which one of those dances do you like?

T: Well i -r /\ the funk. And.

B: Funk. Is that sort of like the grind or that twisting you don't even remember

the twist though do you?

T: Yeah)I do.

B: Is the Funk like that?

T: No. You got to like bump to another person. Like you're bumping someone.

You bump with your rear, to the other person.

B: Oh backwards sort of.

T: Yeah.

B: It's sort of like ala twist in reverse?

T: Yeah.

B:- It's all fun though, it's good exercise isn't it? How does the parents feel

about that?


T: My mother she'll take them every once and awhile and get up and dance with


B: And does she come to Indian dances?

T: Well)she wanted to come to last week and somebody told her- that they weren't

invited. But I told her that she was, and she [': -;: she wanted to come.

B: Do they have Indian dances often?

T: Like every Thursday night.

B: Um-um. Do people ask you about Indian s? ? : you

know, when you're meetigpeodpe? ? Or meet people?

T: No.

B: What do you when do you plan to do after you et through school? ?

You know, get your training. Do you plan to live here?

T: Yes.

B: You know some of our people think about North Carolina, and places where they'll

live but it doesn't bother you does it?

T: No. It's alright to visit like.

B: But you wouldn't' want to live there?

T: Live these.

B: I guess this is the place you're use to? What's the advice that you give

other young people? To finish school and so on? Do you have anything you'd

like to say ?

T: About staying in school?

B: Um-um.

T: Well I think that, I think they should stay in school, and try and get their

education 'cause the way things are going now you can't depend on men to take

care of you.

B: You're, well, well everyone should be independent I suppose, if it's possible.

T: Sometimes the Indian boys up here, are the ones who live on t fEgtreet.


T4h don't work. They just live along on the street in their little corner.

B: Um-um. Not very promising is it?

T: No.

B: When you get married you want a steady guy don't you?

T: Yeah. I don't want one like like my mother had, that'll beat up on you?

B: Is that right?

T: Yeah.

B: That's too bad. About how old is the girls usually marry, how old are they?

T: WelI- knowA tey are when they start having babies. About sixteen.

B: =l-s- tiQO-Ul- Is that pretty much of a problem? Do you think?

T: Yeah, having a kid without being married.

B: Alot of that goes on?

T: Yeah, mostly in the black because black girls when they have babies, like when

they're fourteen, fifteen, sixteen.

B: Um-um. Do ygJthink it's much more prevalent among the black people than

the Indian people? -' L ,/)..'-...O .. ..

T: Now what was your question?

B: Do yd think the problem is greater among black people than among Indian people?

T: Yes.

B: Um-um. How 'bout people's attitudes do they frown oit anymore

now than they use to do you think or less ?

T: Less.

B: How 'bout you know, sometimes you get different ideas and different views from

U -people, do you think ?

T: L"('T UjC cil '4C .( n'

B: Males are males.

T: Yeah.

B: Evidently you were here before the center began is that right?


T: Um-um.

B: And you know how it was without it ardCyou know something about how it is now.

Can you think of any ways it's helping?

T: Well when they use to have the __association like you had to

move some off the streets. And like I started coming down here and like '73,

I believe, that's when I started coming down here. Like they have ond on tenth

street now and like it's really helping, like because like before they had that


B: Um-um.

T: They could see kids hanging on the corner, or some stop but fighting or some-

thing now they go there and dance and stuff.

B: The new center which street?

T: Ten.

B: Tenth Street. Is that where MrO. Locklear's office is?

T: I don't know where his office ib.

B: Do you see the center as as growing do you think it will grow? ?

How 'bout the church? Do you think the church is helping out?

T: You mean, I don't know what you mean.

B: _Baptist Church.

T: Um-um.

B: Do you think it's helped, you know with the problems of most people? Not having

anything to do, you know.

T: Yeah.

B: Do you think people in the city area more suspicious than people in the country?

T: More suspicious

B: OF other people, you know, are mistrustful. Maybe somebody _

T: Yes,,

B: You don't know whether they are or whether they aren't. What they're up tJ-lo,


I guess you have t earn th ings like that. getting along

in the city. I certainly want to thank you for taking this time and chatting

with us. We've talked about all sorts of things haven't we?

T: Um-um.

B: I enjoy talking do you?

T: Yes.

B: We,we wish God's speed and good luck in all that you attempt to do. And I

know you'll, you'll accomplish whatever you set out to accomplish. Again thank

you very much.

T: You're welcome.

B: This is.....

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