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Interviewer: Lew Barton
Subject:Carol J. Locklear
B: This is Lew Barton interviewing for the University of Florida's history
department American Indian Oral HisOory program. Today we are at my
apartment at 14 South Anne Street in Baltimore, Maryland. And with me is
a young lady who has kindly consented to give me an interview. Would you
mind telling us what your name is?
L: My name is Carol Jean Locklear.
B: And you are the daughter of?
L: Ji C-Co4- KLocklear.
B: Who's your father?
L: Eddie Locklear.
B: Iti How long have you li ed in Baltimore, Maryland?
L: ( 9)years.
B: How old are you?
B: You were born here then weren't you?
L: No. No I wasn't born here. I was born in North Carolina.
B: What part f North Carolina?
B: Laurinburg, North Carolina. iftmM. What year in school are you?
B: Are you going to graduate?
L: I hope so.
B: What are you going to do when you graduate?
1: I don't know.
B: You don't know yet?
B: You just might get married like a lot of the other girls right?
B: I possible?$ M
L: .ims CS.
B: WI11 thqt' one way of having a career. That' a housewife career. And
the e'sa nothing wrong with it. How much time have you spent in Robeson County
L: Not much.
B: Not much. Do you see any difference between living in Ro&eson County, N6rth Carolin
and living in Baltimore, Maryland?
L: Yei/I like it better in North Carolina.
B: Say you do. Do you plan io live there Someday?
h: Yes. Soon as I finish the twelfth grade I hope so.
B: Are you ioing to college?
L: I don't know yet.
B: Well e suppose to have a pretty nice university down there. We still have
a state r \i- I suppose. "f l -il fhUnaz n iynn haare, do you hav many
girlfriends or boyfriends?
L: Up here? Yes.
B: Wh o'syour best girlfriend?
L: I have a whole bunch of Lest girlfriends.
B: You do?
L: fmasMw yeS
B: Do you work over at the American Indian Study Center?
L: Yes I do.
B: What do you do over there?
L: We tutor Indian kids.
B: You tutor Indian kids.
L: Yf1e1 YS
B: What ages do you tutor?
L: From one till -Ste=.B fourteen.
B: Now do you think you're having success At this sort of thing.
L: I hope so,I think so.
B: Do the kids seem to be happy about it?
B: "iSB we might not have any too many students to graduate from high school,
unfortunately. Wonder why that is.
EI I don't know. AMaiii: -a lot of the Indian kids drop out UJ__-_-_ _t_
maybe the ninth or tenth or the eleventh.
B: Do you think they get discoaragei or something?
B: Wonder why.
L: I don't know.
B: Is it hard work in school?
L: Once in a while. It depends how the teachers are.
B: Uws Did you have any particular problem during your your entire school
career? Right here. How many schools were involved, I mean how many schools
did you attend?
L: I forgot ill the schools I attend I attend so many.
B: UMRM-- wha's he name of your school uaprwhere you ar ow?
L: Patterson Senior High.
B: Patterson Senior Hjgh. Do they have special provisions for minority kids?
Do they have special catch-up co rses and that sort of thing?
L: I really don't know.they do or not.
B: This is fer the American Indian Study Center comes in isn't it, it, attempts
to make up ior some of the lack in the s_+tue-studies? I want to ask you
some questions about life ove here. You see the purpose of this program, is
to determine the life style of the Lumbee Indians which is quite different
in this area than back home. There are some similarities and there are some
differences. But I have a suspicion that young people are pretty much the
same where ever they are, right?
L: I don't know.
B: Are you treated any differently because yue an Indian do you think?
B: You think y u'e treated better or worse?
L: I don't know.
B: You never thought about it much.
B: Being an Indian here )-st it's not a sort of a handicap is it?
L: I think so.
B: A.=emusthat good. How dbout the young people .ga- you move amongS young
people lile all of-6he young people whlrtai what are some of your ideas?
"" what do you think -of pot, for instance?
L: I don't know what to think about pot.
B: Do you think 'ts)a bad thing?
L: It's up to other people.
B: t what?
L: Up to the people.
B: I know but is it bad for them or good for them?
L: It depends on them.
B: Do you mean to say it affects some people maybe,- different' w4ia f fe.
B: VW-ft- Is it a problem around your school?
L: I don't have no idea if it is or not.
B: Well that's a pretty good sign because you probably know about it if it was.
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How CLbout your classes in school do yhey have do they have courses -iMt
L: Yes. it's not called sex education it's called family development.
B: Family development. Do you study about marriage and that sort of thing?
L: Our case it was Indians, you study about marriage.
B: Do you have counselors if you want to ask them anything you can?
L: You ask the teachers.
B: You ask the teachers. Do they answer you straight forwardly bout anything
you want to know?
L: I don't know.
B: You never have asked probably, some of the young on ever ask so they have
no reason to find out about things like that. But in some schools they do
have courses svBa of this nature and ust wondered what the reaction to such
a course in this area would be if it would be the same as back home. Do you
think people sort of frown on t pdi e people teaching a sex education in the
B: What do #ou JIM5 think about it? You think it's good or bad?
L: I don't know, I ain't sure.
B: You don't care?
B: If you're going to make an namew or mistake to some people would put it, it
would be better to make it knowing what you were doing, wouldn't it?
Lt Not really.
B: It woul take any difference. I see my interview is sort of freezing up on
me we better get on some other ground* here you feel more comfortable. You
d n't want to talk about thwk do you?
B: OK. We w t)talk about anything you opn want to talk about. Do yogo to the
center regular y?
B: Tell me about your brothers and sisters. What are their names and ages?
L: My sister is well my sister LO ', C. about 22 I guess and my brother
Eddie he's ten.
B: .Riwar a T "g -youpr- is some of your sisters and brothers married?
L: IVhave one sister, she's married, and has five kids.
B: Gee tha
L: Ulu'auuR ^/--"^ i
B: Are you gonna have a big family when you get married?
B: How many do you plan to have?
B: 4fM. Well when you get married, you might change your mind.
L: No I wo0?A'change my mindj/either.
B: TaRsL-s Where do you go to church?
L: On West Cross Street Baptist Church.
B: Is that whhre Reverend... '
L: O-r. ____ ? James GSii p.6 9 r:..c..r ,
B: Right. How do you+ike him? How do you get along with him?
L: Very good.
B: Now he would do some counseling, if you needed to, wouldn't he?
L: Probably if you asked him.
B: He seems to be a very understanding person. That'san asset to the community.
How CJbout the"womaAs lib" movement? Have you heard anything about the"women's
lib" movement this part of the country?
B: You're not a member are you?
B: Do you believe in the"woman's lib"?
B: What parts of it? All of it or some just some parts?
L: All of it.
B: Every bit?
L: Every bit.
B: Now you don't want, when you get married you don't want them to put M.R.S.
with your name ---- -- --- ?
B: Now "women's libber's" like to put M.S.
L: Mine would be M.R.S.
B: I take it from that you'd be proud then and you wouldn't be ashamed of people
knowing you e marital status, if you were married.
L: No. %9q
B: OK. So you c nItjdecide what you want to do when you get out of school?
L: No, because I think I want to go to college, I think Ilike it.
B: Well there are other things you can do. Are you thinking in certain areas?
What you want to do.
L: No, just maybe get married.
B: Well that sounds like a worthly ambition. Thee's)nothing wrong with that.
We have to terminate this interview at this point because my subject was a
bit nervous but we have here at this point a young lady who has kindly consented
to sit down and talk to us. This is the American Indian Oral History Program