Title: Interview with Pam Taylor (January 20, 1975)
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Title: Interview with Pam Taylor (January 20, 1975)
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Language: English
Publication Date: January 20, 1975
Subject: Urban Lumbee
Funding: This text has been transcribed from an audio or video oral history. Digitization was funded by a gift from Caleb J. and Michele B. Grimes.
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Bibliographic ID: UF00006816
Volume ID: VID00001
Source Institution: Samuel Proctor Oral History Program, Department of History, University of Florida
Holding Location: This interview is part of the 'Urban Lumbee' collection of interviews held by the Samuel Proctor Oral History Program of the Department of History at the University of Florida
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Resource Identifier: UL 10

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B: We have another young lady here with us to be interviewed. Would

you mind telling us what your name is pt"- MA ?

T: I'm Pamela C. Taylor.

B: Pamela C. Taylor, T-a-y-l-o-r. How old are you, Pam?

T: Sixteen.

B: Sixteen, that's a nice age to be, isn't it? Do you enjoy being


T: Yes.

B: Have you got any boyfriends and girlfriends?

T: Yes.

B: Which do you have the most of?

T: Girlfriends.

B: Do you have any sports in school?

T: Yes, baseball.

B: Do you play on the girls team?

T: Uh--hfr* f 1 Ti-'1 (5C

B: t.UnWlt. Would you mind telling us the names of your parents?

T: Mildred Louise Taylor and James Stephen Taylor.

B: Would you mind telling us the names of your brothers and sisters

Me!a ahasEs and their ages?

T: James Stephen Taylor,Jr, age eighteen, Mary Louise Taylor, age fifteen,

and QBjaJ' Mae Taylor, age four.

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B: -eMfth, now which one are you? I mean are you the oldest?

T: No, I'm next to the oldest.

B: "1D&auhwela'Lt.foeol1-e. What grade are you in?

T: The eleventh.

B: Are you having any difficulties in school?


B: S'ye^ are you doing tutoring work over here or., ririiju'M

T: No.

B: Do you live near the center here?

T: -Uh / 3

B: -f"tafk what street do you live on?

T: On Duncan.

B: On Duncan Street, D-u-n-c-a-n,

T: 44 rihX t-,N%, \j

B: How far is that from South Broadway?

T: About six or seven blocks.

B: iftS do you go to church?

T: at West Cross Street Baptist Church.

B: Were you over at the meeting last night by the way?

T: No.

B: They had a nice meeting over there last night. I was over there.

Do you have any problems with other young people, getting on with

other young people?

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' No.

B: Do they treat you any differently because you're an Indian?

T: Well, some of the schools
B: What do they, they have a tendency to shy away from you or make

remarks or anything like that?

T: Yes, and they CC({ J ad on Indians, most of them.

B: What do you feel about this?

T: I feel that we're all the sameno matter what your race is.

B: Right. Ba-yeu mkca an you remember any particular problems at

all in this connection?

T: Well, let's see. This girl and me)a-c, I was in the tenth grade

last year, and she made a remark about the Indians while we were

in history clasand that made me a little upset about it and I

told her tat, "D l r what she was saying __^_.'

Sen LLcr^ about i tt^^Il-jiuAr.-

told her that.. Luld take it outside.

B: Did she take you up on it?

T: No. C1 --' o

B: Do you think our Indian children are a little too sensitive about re-

marks like this?

T: No.

B: They take it pretty well?

ST: They take it pretty well.

B: Can you think of anything we could do to help along these lines afi-Cd

help people better understand each other and get along better together?

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T: No, can't think a W.

B: When they teach you in school, what place now?

T: The eleventh.

B: Have you studied anything at all about Indians in school?

T: 4Sa this year.

B: WmZaNt what course is that in?

T: Wi.a81i history.

B: "=PC th. You have counsellors in school?

T: Qmaii. ye >

B: They don't teach sex education?

T: Well, they did last year.

B: MU -hn4Y

T: We had sex education.

B: Do you think it was helpful, too?

T: inh-hn. -^

B: Do you think people of the community frown on this sort of thing maybe?

T: Most of them do.

B: Think they feel it shouldn't be taught?

T: Well not the younger ones,.the older ones like my dad. They think

it shouldn't be teaching in school. But if they don't teach them

in school/nobody else is going to teach it to them.

B: Right. If you have a personal problem you want to discuss and have nobody

to talk tocan you always go to your counselor?

T: Yes.

B: What's your favorite subject in school?

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T: U.S. history.

B: Do you think the Indians got eft out of history, too?

T: They don't really' ye7 I m.nriia:. 'l in history they

talk about the Negro s and the whites, and I don't think the Indians

should be left out Id ';'' .

B: Of course American history began with the American Indian.

T: Right.

B: And if you're told was a small group, I suppose you can

p l / C sometimes.

T: Yes.

B: Do you think there's anything that might be done to stimulate more

interest along these lines?

T: Yesy I can't think of none.

B: Do you think people would be interested in a course on American Indian

T: I think most of them would, because like at school, .yaSMesw, I told

a lot of my friends about Indian enter, and one night:about thirteen

or fourteen of them come down here and they liked it down here.

There was Indian dancing that night and most of them liked 25 gp

-gms c They said they'd like to do some beadwork now.

B: *4aiih, do you do this sort of thing, beadwork?


B: Are you good at it?

T: Not good at it. I just learned over the summer when I was working down


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B: Do you come over for the Indian dances on Thursday nights?

T: U-b 4

B: Do you dance?

T: No, my sister does, but I don't.

B: You don't dance Indian-style or otherwise?

T: Uh uh.

B: Just enjoy watching.

T: Right.

B: You and I are about in the same boat, but I want to learn

Indian danceS',

T: Well, I know a few steps / i& but I just like to sit

back and watch them do it.

B: fgiS, very colorful isn't it?

T: JlIMh.. \e-s

B: Very beautiful really, and I'll tell you one thing there's some

beautiful Indian girls out on the dance floor there, Don't

you think Indian girls are beautiful?

T: --f e-.

B: How about Indian guys?

T: Yes.

B: They're not beautiful, but maybe they're handsome.

T: Yes...right.

B: What do you plan to do when you get through school?

T: I want to go to college and go to nursing school.

B: Do you think you'll be able to make it?

T: Yes, I think so.

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B: What do you girls think about women's lib? Do you think our young

people are inclined to lean towards women's lib?

T: In a way I do. It'really doesn't make no sense, women's lib. T'STUt
aJilsr t^aai_i they know they're going to get treated anyway,


B: You don't think it's going to make.much difference?

T: No, it's not going to make much difference. It's like these women

that want to work construction. They work construction maybe two
0- :-t 7-I' 'etc
or three weeks. Tihey do nothing and...they just give up on it

B: I picked up the telephone the other day and I listened for a soft

feminine voice to say, "Number please." This guy's voice came on.

How do you feel about guys who serve as telephone operators?

T: I really don't know. (j '--

B: Do you think it's sort of a reaction to women's lib?

T: Yeb, it is.

B: Do you like things the way they were in the past?

T: Yes, they were better the way they were^ Women did women's work and

men did men's work.

B: I see. They're just not made the same are they?

T: No.

B: What do you think young people can do about the problems today? Do

yo6 think they have a good idea of which to do and all this?

T: Well, some of them have good ideas about things, but ggvgggy, really

it wouldn't matter that I did try to change it, because if it's going

to be changed it's going to be changed.

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B: And you don't thin young people dhoa have to say or do would

make much difference?

T: No, because older people-, p -Bf as just don't listen to younger

people. They might listen to them, but yr a1mm they don't take

their advice or nothing. It's just something that's going in-one

ear and coming out the other. But it really wouldn't make no dif-

ference if they tried to change it.

B: I don't know about that. I like to listen to young people. They

have great ideaS1 T

T: Yes.

B: Do you feel that these ideas are wasted time?

T: I feel most of them are.

B: Bi too bad, isn't it?

T: Yes.

B: Is there anything you would like to do? I take it you feel that there

is a generation gap. Is it very good to talk to older people?

T: Well, some older people are god3 lik- rI Y ..aM.MMa L, it's

hard for me to talk to my mother than it is to talk to myl t'

And-SUam Ioaybecan talk to my, one of my aunts better than I

can talk to my sister.

B: Do you think Indian parents are stricter than other people?

T: No, not really, because ymc --1- r ,y ,- -n' .ii. my parents/they usually

allow at least a little bit of freedom. Some things we want

1- (P-' they won't let us have our way about it, but with

other things they go along with.

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B: Do you think that people say sometimes "I don't know what's going to

happen to our young people." You don't see any difference, do you?

T: No, I don't.

B: I don't think there is any difference. The young people of yester-

day and the young people of today...

T: .y

B: ...perhaps some people, they have more money to spend and this

sort of thing. Do you think Indian children are very respectful

towards parents?

T: .,I a mhem, you know, they respect i faFC

and other people.

B: I think Indian children have beautiful manners.

T: -4-htih. y S

B: I wish we could do something about the generation gap, but I don't

see any generation gap between me and younger people'jl'__ (t_ C _

I really encourage young people ,i's a, to talk to me pretty

freely, -uasmsm, tell me things and just talk together. I really

don't see all that much difference d1WMCl- 'tAt e-.g'dh-

my friends ;lt., C all right, you don't know what you want to

do U,/ kv Vp r-,.
U iV

B: It might be a better one.

T: Right.

B: BUZM"h and then when you go into college...do you make pretty good

grades in school?

T: Yes, they're pretty good except for physical science.

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B: That's sort of a man's subject anyway, isn't it?

T: Yes

B: Guys get more interested in...

T: Right.

B: ...physical things "d girls I suppose the girls

beat them in some other areas C .Do you study

Home Ec.?

T: Yes.

B : Do you find it's a helpful subject?

T: Anyway I'd like the course -OeFrat w, like sewing and cooking. Z=e

there you gotP3y uM two things you can do. You could work

in a factoryaaS9MM, if you wanted to, making clothes or be

a cook or something like that I@@a( working in a nice restaurant.

B: Is there anything you'd like to pass on to other young people?

T: No.

B: I want to thank you so very much for this interview '

T: Thank you.

B: You're very, you're a nice _U_ eCt to interview. Thank you

so very much.
S Iwelcome.
T: 40enT welcome.

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