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INTERVIEWER: Lew Barton
INTERVIEWEE: Portia Locklear
February 28, 1975 dib
B: This is February 28, 1975. I'm Lew Barton recording for the University
of Floridak history department's American Indian Oral History Program.
This afternoon we are at 211 South Broadway in Baltimore City, the
American Indian Study Centec ad- we are in the office of one of the
alcoholic counselors and with me is a young lady who has kindly
consented to give me an interview. Would you mind telling us your
name please, Ma'am?
L: My name is Portia Locklear.
B: How old are you, Portia?
L: I'm seventeen.
B: What grade are you in?
B: What school?
L: I go to Patterson High School.
B: Patterson High. Who are your parents, dear?
L: Mr and Mrs. Lancie M. Locklear.
B: Mr. and Mrs. Lancie N. Locklear. What part of town do you live in?
L: We live in Prospect, North Carolina.
B: You live in Nbrth Carolina. Ui'nMA, 4d you're just visiting now?
L: No, I've been up here.
B: -Ulrhma your parents live in North Carolina.
L: No, they live with me.
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B: Oh, I don't know how I misunderstood. Would you mind telling us
about your brothers and sisters? How many brothers and sisters do
L: I got six sisters. \, ,_ ,A__ I have six brothers and
sisters, three boys and three girls. Nancy, Patricia, Jerry, Tommy
B: I bet you don't know all their ages or do you?
L: Let sT e, ones eighteen, nineteen, twenty-two, twenty-one and thirteen.
B: Now is in the order that you gave it to me just-now?
: Let's go over it agan to see if n get their ages and names together,
L: =X&. Terry, he's twenty-two. Tommy, he's twenty. Jerry, he's nineteen.
Nancy's eighteen and Patricia, she's twelve.
B: Have you decided yet what you're going to do when you grow up?
Ir I want to...
B: When you get out of school, you've already grown up pretty much, aren't
L: I want to go to college to be a nurse.
B: Have you lived in Baltimore all your life?
L: I've been up here seven years.
B: Seven years, fSk. Which do you consider to be home? NrSG2iXM=a .
L: North Carolina.
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B: Do you want to go back to North Carolina?
L: Ift9BI, yes.
B: You have a boyfriend in North Carolina have you?
L: I got about five.
B: How about that. Well, have you had any problems at all in adjusting
to city life from leaving rural life?
L: No, they're all the same to me.
B: Are you proud to be an Indian?
B: Is that an advantage or disadvantage do you think?
L: It's a good advantage to all Indian people A A A A "
B: Do you think people treat you better knowing you're an Indian?
L: Some do, some don' they criticize me.
B: Are there other Indian students at school where you are, your brother?
L: 'V 4whlnr '1/
B: I was talking to a girl this morningland there was only one other,
eaaSi;isT=' k she was the only student in her class. What kind of
work does your father do?
L: He's a painter.
B: Are there a good many painters in Baltimore, Indians?
B: I understand that the girls have a softball team somewhere. Is it
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where the older women just have the softball team?
L: Young adults.
B: Uhz.i- Are you on the softball team?
L: -r-phahb YC- ,
B: How many, how many members do you have for the softball team?
L: There's twenty-six all together.
B: Twenty-six. Not everybody gets to play, do they?
L: No, it's just the teams and one-fifth out of the team would, you know,
play the bases adO outfield, but they're changing.
B: Is this your first year with the team?
L: kvrim. e
B: You don't have an problems at all with school, do you?
B: And tell me again where did you live?
L: '2 -4i
L: I live at 45 Avenue.
B: Are there many other Indian families over there%,,.4,
L: I think there's two sets.
B: You say set you mean two families?
L: eh>h y
B: All right. Where do you go to church?
L: West Cross Church.
B: A lot of our people go to there, don't they?
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B: And you haven't decided what you want to do when you get out of
L: Yes, I want to be a nurse.
B: Oh, that means then you'll be going to college, doesn't it?
L: rVt-1mh. ye"
B: You know where you're going to college?
L: North Carolina for college.
B: Pembroke State maybe?
B: University? I've heard people talk about something they call the generation
gatyela-they say that it's sometimes difficult for young people and
older people to talk. ust thin about anything like
__ A A_ Do you think there's any such thing as the
L: Yes, __"generation gap. I think there is..,
B: Do you find it hard to talk to older people?
L: No, they're just like other people, just a little bit older, that's all.
B: Nice to hear you say that. How often do you go to Carolina to visit?
L: Sometimes we have a church_
B: In the summertime you go to church and...
L: They're my mother
B: You don't like to work a=e=a
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L: It's all right if you work with boys end-of that
B: Oh, it is hot down there in the summertime and that working with
tobacco is always hard.
B: Do you work here at the center?
L: Yes, I work at the center %, _AA A
B: Are you going to tutor?
L: JUh-huh. I.C
B: I wonder h wme about tutoring, how you have students, do they come
to you and say what they have trouble with?
L: No, before you can begin ., -. .-. they have a teacher's slip
which she filled out all the Indians who were in her class e s she
would tell us their problem, that they got a problem with ,
B: *tftm, you sit down and talk to their teacher then.
L: Uh-hu. \/ b
B: And how do the students feel about having help like this? Do they
resent it or are they glad or what?
L: Some of them. When I had them they'd be glad to be pulled out of class
and be helped with it. Some of them are shy and they
B: It's difficult .even moving up with another Indian student.
L: No, at twenty-seven,all of them comes out.
B: ifRh1 Do they, are there many of them that have problems?
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L: Some of them have speech problems. Sco- uf hLlemi
It's just because they're slow. They ain't got the hang of the work,
what they're doing.
B: Ae=Way, are they shy usually around other, shyer maybe around other
people than around our students-or,tutors?
L: They probably as&-Aask the teacher a question.
B: Think that's part of the problem?
L: Yes, I believe since there are more white teachers and coaches than
students. They feel like there's a lot of them around here at the
B: LiB .in.
L: They feel much better r- cL class of Indians.
They'd probably feel much better.
B: White people and black people look down on you because you're an
Indian you think?
L: They do?
B: Or look up to you?
L: Some of them just stay friendly by you. Some of them just don't
B: More nice ones than the other kind, right?
L: . .
Bi You seem to be doing all right. Holding your own, aren't you?
How about in your school, do you have counsel ors in your school?
L: Bwksah. fe
B: Do you have problems that you want to discuss? Do you have counsellors
you can go to?
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B: They answer-any of your questions ?
L: Well, they answer your questions. If you've got a problem, you could
ask them and when you tell about a problem, they listen.to you.
B: Yes, that's good. Have you heard about the women's libbers?
B: Well, what do you think of them?
L: Well, it's like they want to get out and get a job and get more moneyQ
B: How about if they just get 41c11- equal pay for equal work?
L: Well, I think that's fair enough.
B: You don't think you'd like to be a women's libber?
B: What is it they talk that
you don't like?
L: They don't work \ A anymore. n't p'ft a
B: You think the man should be at the head of the family and...
L: Yes, sure, to take care of all the problems, all of them.
__ _, _EMa_ t he women just would clean house and
she'd Athe house looking good OQvnc Drc happy .
B: And make him happy.
B: Well, that's all right. It's a good arrangement to me. You think
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you'll be getting married?
L: No, I don't think I'll get married .-. t t very soon.
B: 12S that's a long way off.
L: I know.
B: I reckon you can grow, get married pretty early sometimes.
L: Yes, some of them get married when they're nineteen, don't even
think before you get married.
B: IH=n)a-rmt ..j-T what do you think about parents and the way, arethey
strict on you at home?
L: No, they C U> go out, but they don't let us go out too
late. They don't let us stay out late, being out at a certain time.
B: Do they call bedtime on your boyfriend?
B: 1MEMS, did you ever heard tell, did you ever hear of somebody
L: Oh, they don't do that. They just gg. tell him to leave. Ask
them to leave. Like you was going to bed, you'd just say, "Tell
the guys they have to leave." So you tell them to leave.
B: Do they do that at a certain time?
L: Yes, maybe they'll just do that eleven or twelve. But if they work
nights it'd be ten o'clock.
B: Usually Indian parents are a little bitr, stre-4it4t. ZBt strict, aren't
L: Yes, some of them don't even talk to them about it. Sgs
v -\ n, ^ -- .n irls can't talk to them to them when
they get old enough, what they're going to do when they get grown?
B: How old were you when you started dating?
L: They let me date nine years, but they don't care for some of them-
B: Did you ever ask them?
L: Ask them for a date?
B: Ask your parents could you date?
L: No, no matter what you say. Y aak-a, Mama would say that you
have to bring your date to her.
B: 'fTyif you've got two to satisfy haven't you?
L: Yes, now like Jaime, he comes over. ZThe next day we'll go for a ride
and t+\C.- say O.K. I reckon he's the preacher's sor")
B: Is he your only boyfriend you go out with?
L: No, I talk to a lot of them. I don't' go out with them alone. I
just talk to them.
B: -el and they just come to the house and sit around and talk.
L: bfteft; f-:e rrM! s- ____ .
B: You've go-t h -at-
B: X.auh, is that where you go when you listen to T.V. and things like
L: We've just got a stereo down there for the time being.
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B: It's sort of a