Title: Interview with Gerard Frierson, Sr. (October 6, 1984)
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Volusia County (Fla.) -- History.
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Interviewee: Mr. Gerald Frierson, Sr.
Interviewer: Mr. Sid Johnston
October 6, 1984

Mr. Gerald Frierson, Sr. was born in Daytona Beach,
Florida on January 31, 1905. His father was a contractor who
helped construct the College Arms Hotel in DeLand. Frierson
wored at the E. O. Painter Printing office for two years as a
young boy, an the interview deals mainly with his experiences
working there. Frierson ownd a Westinghouse franchise in
DeLand for fifty-one years. Some material is available on
his business and political activity in DeLand.

Interviewee: GeraTrd Frierson S.
Interview : ySid Johnstonrr -
LocatLon: 2001 OldNew York Avenue ,Deand, FL 32721
Dati. October 6;'-984

J: Toy i s Oct e.,r 198 an am i DeJ9*,-F1 r with Mp. Mr aiGd r ie

ey 1 200 01 e 0 f enue in and an Ibe leve t zip co e.-is 3272 here.

^i--Gera+d-l-E-- F rterstnt,

--Ge1-E.-fr i e rson,, ,- co r rec.t?

. ...w.' Ubuhhb /


S -W oes the E. sTan"f-for?--

J: .Edwardm _eWhere wr you born?

.i':Daytona Beach, Florida"

J: -Afd what day and we ht year?

F: 95 January 31

J: darenTary-"'3r 9'l05 Who are your parents?

F: Edward Frierson and Mitty Frierson.

J: Atd r hat did they do for n ficp

F:. My daddy was a abTbWose- rT-bu hiding contractor Q.'-J

+-^--tr ---An ---he .--

S y mother was -js. a house c e-F LI-m+ Ithe ..

J: fTd your daddy was a contractor in Daytona Beach?

F: Yes.

J: What kind of buildings did he construct?


F: You asked me that. I do not know. -I-9-d -ot-know----6wed-do .1-

J: Do-you-t building residential homes or commercial businesses?

F: Well, he-war--h- the only thing I remember him doing is Ck lo A hs0 Hoteli V)1 pi-

t--Ge4e I IHieArrrrr-

F: He was in Daytona Beach and I do not know where h0 ivod, but I was born there in 1905.

-F-:-- Then they wrote and asked Trrd-t-M him to come over here and help them with the College


",L--__ANd- dTa- e_

u-know- te- Go ege-Co rtfe Hofe

4_ '_
L-- a nui"dl tr^one-over--andJaelfp2

": He came over here I was three years old. wh I 'eaMe-

J: That was part of the 5h plant railway system, 4-beC&geyz., e-et4 ege-r--)-t-

was-pat-of---the,-rai ,road-ah--system.of hotels along the east coast of Florida. Well, your

mother was a homemaker. How many children did she have?


-J-oiraity-ch'l dren-' dd yourmommha?-

F: ", five.

J: -And-what are their names?

F: Well, mnre Gerald VFrierson, Sr., and my brother, Charlie Frierson, my .s4-ser- older

sister, Phoebe Ro1tinson, that is her name now Phoee Ro.Q' noand the other sister is

Emily Williams in Orlando.

J: *Andyou are the oldest?

F: -ATTT my brotherVis dead.

J: Y/hat your youngest brother?

FF----J+m-l a-latin-Se-1 i-ves-in-O r-l -nrrdo-

FW: extJt-e--ai i{
FW: fx --ss d

J ---Nexr-tc-iri-mr.--Okay-*.

F-:--Tha t--is al.l....them..,_


J: .Now .i- yu u a dl.id your family live in Daytona for as long as you remember?

F: No, only-when'-we-were- irtig hrn'en-1-was-ttree- moved to DeLand when I was three years


J: Do you remember,-do-you-reemember moving? /

F: Came to DeLand by train from Daytona Beach. T+rat-is nobody believes/ by train
Ss'-^ ~ __ 3 --~

"+'--y-train from Daytona Beach. And the station was up there where the is.

J: Is that right?

F: The railroad station. And -d 0, /., ,. : .*

J: -Neow you came in with your entire family by train when you moved?

"T- D7T -you T~cionrr-with-your-ent-i re-fami-y-when-you-mnoved-toDeLand-by-Jtra.i.n2-

F: Yej.

F: We lived over here on s0sG Avenue.

J: I did not know there was a line running between Daytona and DeLand at that time.

Sounds like a small spur.

FW: I do not think i-twas brt r---- emmbel-te-tttree-ro.

J: ZI4 what schools did you attend? FTnUTe'ementary th roIugiuH'itdel ro4 -nd-tha-U.bgh

F- Iwent to second grade and high school.

J: Where did you go to elementary school?

F: Detand-rr-DBet-arnr DeLand High School.

J: 4ow, was there a one small school that took care of second third and fourth grades

F: No, we ha.separated. Sepea-sete-fof--i-rst--gr-ade-and--h i-gh hoo-].Land. second-grade.7--da-

separate grade, separate rooms. That building has been torn down and new one '-l.

/01. 34

But our building was the o4dest-r-the newest one for many mayF years.

J: -N4ew, where was this school that you went to?

F: On .Re-&lamLAenluai2JIiL.. ^.-vC roYr- P?.(\ e(qiJ Cf'fc2 (' .:.-.

J: Nowe,-that is what they call the old junior high today that just burned?

F: Right.

J: Now, what was the school that you attended before that? Was there one?

F: 'Ahy-yahb Same school.

J: Same school for second and third grade5ill the way through high school.

F: More than that. Kindergarten, first, second and third.

J: All the grades were right there.

F: Way-t-to-h4 h-srcthmo-t--and the only reason I quit during my junior year in high school, so-th-a

.I "-1 was not getting any good out of it. I had a young teacher and I told him I was going down

town and I walked downtown and cqme back and they*\lsked4me what I did and so forthIard--wen-t
J K? j
-to-tatLe-my- tnd-I was not getting anything out of it, so I was--g9o'g-t quit.

J: Well, what did you do when you went downtown and your teachers asked you vAIjt you were doing?

F: ,-Iwen-dtf ---l ------------------- I can not imagine what I did, to

tell you the truth. I can not remember some ofhtsoe things. Well,. I eeworke when I was

two 'ocksa and ten years old, so I imagine I was in t(h', fourth grade. AtWea-at- t9-tg:

J: -hene'y-u fwarc*tN i"-'ie fLLT', d,- ,^n.Jawn-L- That would be about ten or eleven

years old.

F: That is right. In the fourth grade. I ot my -mth-r's biz:yclo drOr,-
j ,^^ 7.:
.un uLL. tir 7 out and got a job with WetL^III l4F Postal and Telegraph Company

^. I-Htrt-------------

ofXt eight dollars a month. Not a week. Eight dollars a month

;' Iyrom 7:30 to 6:00 at night.

/{^ nnd on Sundays, half a day. .A4-then Western Union offered me more money, so I went to work


F----for W*irtn Uni'n .rd then they hired a nigger and my daddy says come off of the job.

You are not going to work with a nigger. So, I came off the job and then I went down -o

"I was eleven year? old when I went down there.

J: So, you were working for the telegraph company by the time you were ten years old and then

the next year you went to work for Painter Printing.

F: Yeg.

J: Whywere you working when you were ten or eleven years old?

iDid te family need some extra income?
a re cI,,
F: Well, you w&ee right. My daddy did not make much money. vea--i-e, w-ahad six,,-ex kids

oneId i ed,
one iecand then asx J11d,,

J: That is a big family. O f p

F: Adoi-d n(ot k41 Lm3 _they asked me - z- d e about delivering telegrams and

and I told them I did not know anything ajqut it. And he said he would teach me.


F: I do not know why, T S4 r )e t d' (" <.'* 'f{< e[ r

J: UjAS did you work after school hoursor d*- yu nbr -- -

F:-A'ent to work at 3:00 in the afternoon$ after school.

J: is trhat -i t "-And then in the eleventh grade, you quit school altogether.

F: No, I did not quit school altogether until the second year of high school.

d-t--~ee~- ~ -~- ----

-FT rdid that andl1 started a laundry and then a car wash O+bd 'q

J: Was there much of a demand for a car wash and laundry in DeLand at the time?

F- W thea demand -or tha

F: Nj, theeAlas not too much, but we did a pretty good job.

*-9--Ve yeah-

J: So, you started working dewm at Painter' Printing when you were eleven years old,,4Abe

F: Right.

J: How did you happen to decide or think about working down at Painter Printing at that age?

F: You know I can not remember how or why I got the job. To tell you the truth. I tried to

think about it when I talked to you on the telephone.

F: 4l, you remember'lthey had a who+e stringhL ThoA Do you know what a -

k(r-, is?
J: No, tell me.

F: Well, it is a horse that work 'hard when it 4-s-young And pet a lot of jobs and-work on him
and it -i r s- e.C l .. 3 i .- (r-

E- And-they d-u go Tr the legsdo not go #frrwhen the horse startS The front leg goes

forward, but go up and down.

J--. (LdtullLerT ,

-F-.Anrd UdJaIti LiIIJ-- -a If you take a ride on them? youvgot to work at

-- I'll bet you do. "

-. ---- -------------- Roughest ride you ever had in

your life.

J: So, after school h ended at 3-'00,Vyou walked o-er to the shop on Wisconsin Avenue? 7I

J- When you -'e -w rring da.ow-at-the-R-rJint.1ng..shop-did-you-wal dowa- L r 1 ride ,ya L k; y

-- u cluul

F: --tL'o i-o Uioe MU als y

J: O.O biyl. Was it a paved road or was it macadamized or was it just sand?

F: Shells. \v

J: It was a shell road. ow, do you think your daddy knew Sdney W44-ard Johnston, my great-

grandpappy and they got together to see if you could work down there?


F: No, I do not think so.

J: Do you think you just went down there on your own?

F: Right. I think I did everything on my own.

J: So, you yeni probably went down there on your own and talked with him?

F: -_ Everything I have done, I have done on my own.

J: wNe were there any telephones around at that time? Ther eAm ueiJ L'.e. brn-..

F: Yes) Ve- B ut -"did not have one. Wen'--

J: Yau TIPJFT'il VL lIuN I brought a picture of the old shop. It was demolished

-back in 1970 and that might help spark -yw your memory.

F: That is it. ;T-RaL-i-+-P

J: Now,qyou walked in that front door, what was the first thing you remember seeing?

F: Well, first of all, you did not come in that front door.

J: You did not come in that front door? Why not?

F: Well, the doi-yuu cdann ;. you would come in this door, -gh-t- but the employees would not.

F: There is a door right around the side

-F "Rght--eeeraoz t i, e and the employees came in there .aad on that n left wall was a big

clock, and punch cards for all the employees.

J-- _--h h. ..

SO And yet-eme-a4d. you\ et a card yeu--ime was check in.

J: So, you had a that you had to punch Awhenever you came in and punch it whenever

you wemt--airt-n te4

F: Ye^>.

,, We did more than that. We punched it for the other fellows. See,-we-w ud-al-H ind if

they were not there we would punch them.

J: Get them ih anyway )

F: Right. ----

4/i, Uh' ,

F: Yes, by I remember thI hings d an Johnston want you to
5akd LA I
work and he oye work ,'he mean? W 0 R Kj.' ArinR I used to hum and whistle. I was a

happy boy, I really was. s they called me "Sunshine" and everything els eal
And I was making books. You know how they make a book?
J: Tell me.
F: Youmak on_walk around the table, p keep picking km up-nd dow; hcr and stack
them up. Well, When you do that all day and all evening, afr+ it gets kind of monotonous.

t:4 ---Y-Ieah, -i t wou I HgeLtre---mnt 0-.
""amf I was whistling and humming one day, or something V made some kind of noise. Old Man

Johnston, he walked around with his hands in back o hi o,:T. Well, he leaned over like
that real slow and looked at everything goi ng on .Lok d a4e nde-ee vrythi i 1 Urig 1 n.

:-He steps over to me)and h&_said, "Mr. Frierson, put that in your work."
J: HtfL He did not like you whistling? g /r was he kidding?
F: No, sir. No, nothing.

F-- o nothng---Ard-Jie had a fellow by the name of J.C. Sewell)who was the manager. T*-n-t- ey-

fAtedt they made books down there. T-hy md I remember one book they made3a_^ I was trying
to think of the name of that book. I MtW I thought of it this morning. They made all
kinds of books, buL i whd ,f 1 ly this-FnoI second rate. This was a real printing office
er He hada ..ot that pr-n'a. 1 about as long l-i, -04, 4-ht rocn -

wh- n -hw I I(--Te \jc rft.

F: --PBut r,,,r nr ty..t hIu-1j KXnd as wide as this room is almost.

It was-t _-_t_,e_ It ha_ _--aor safety switch[ n thoc things ju

running C> \^VAerl .- Vrt..v\. a C ,e. Old 0 Ifrd Ho-w P
-pnrl LIdL di,,, ,s. right EF.d 1,-M th- LAm tohrr, i. C 4- q 4.m

J: 1., rl- ,t(h; .namo \,n Clifford Hafer?

'F. A V E N.

.1* H ,w he y-e. sp,11 th-t?

-F-J C. E E L L

j. .-,Uh-nun.-
YJI- ---E LI.L?

J:-4u S when you walked in that front door for the employees, the empler,,p dnnr?

e:- as there a cage that separated that area from the rest of the office?

F: *tnp yeg. When you stepped in there, you did not step in the office.

i^" 44\-c cQe. ) aw tt er\
YFYou hada- A ...t1 'kc you had this office to the right 1ie:1) it was
1,Vn(, o-C .iu b Ii-y. Z .""
eArT. uj ful 1-ett 0or yu h f-ic His office was right back of this office.
J. U I IIU .,

rP I think this s. his corner Le4i'l Li.-u-.iiul+ l,,eiL But when you stepped in there, there

was a cage on your right which was the office. It ran the full length of( e back here.

And--i4-the$- a door on it for us to go out into the other part. And whenn you stepped in it,

wi-yu r Fi, s'tepped- in IL, I iul t-I e.you stepped inVplace about five feet wide and

about ten feet long.

That is where you p91cW 0,3 great big room where the big machine wa 'as r.i- H in

the next room.

J: AfR was there a wall separating that area?

F: Ye i.

J O wC, s iL a CL ? -

F: Now, if went in or anybody else went in it, they did not come in through t+rft door -t+t

'ig the .i... LUI.I i .
-J-: tee.

F: If you went down there, you would go erff in the other door. -Ad-they would ask yo they

would probably take your order, take your money, but then the ask you come in and sit down

and talk business.

J: Now, did u ..Si ou, Ktiul Lhazi addition on your right look any different?

S this part of the building look any different thlidH- Latt or was that there at the time

ljir\your worked there?

r;: I a -I wl',,T, ,L -Z r

F: That is where I worked.

-F l rcn ir r-Mwhen you went into this room, this pdI L Oe, --I-e

a.1i aybd&k itt big cinery.

SWhen you stepped -ut oFt- m ;._ -we, l ik I -,1' tLu walked in the door, -yw

hibda little alcove about five feet wide and about f e ten -1i feet long.

Then yu-teppc i, if you wanted to go into the other part of the plnt4 office you

walked through the doo *fr, ,thi a a Let.rLet.-

4'hlm kro \ {. 00C. O44r-
F: w you stepped inllte rrc -door there was a great big machine and presses and so forth.
4 5-
L4.. de machines were all upstairs and the T J_ were made/type was madelthree Hlie-

.s-e-machines) and there were girls running those things.

J: There were girls running those things? Do you remember any of their names?

F: we-"t I do not know the names -n-b. o i '. IJ three of them.

J: m L I have ge a list of the names r4+ worked there pop n lpnl hat worked tha' in

1914. Vr do you remember Miss Bertha PowerT?- ?i. 11

F: Yea5.

J: What would she do?

F: She worked in the office.

J'J She crlkod in lL.. uk f Fr it

J: Did she ever do any l-ie6 -tpa work?

F: No. She worked in theoffice rght her.e

J: Was she a secretary?

F: No, she5.wee well, I guess she wasksecretary.

J: A bookkeeper maybe?

F: YeS.

J: What about a fepIn' .by nth n-me nf Noel Montreville?

F: I do not know 0hz ti1im i

J: He was supposed to have been a bookeeper there for about twenty years.

You do not remember a Montreville? J --

F: No, I do not. -nt iLlih-'=.k lie r&i*, i^ e--~fg-wo4.k6domat-

______ LA>t il 1918 and then I went to McCrory's Ten Cent Store.

44. I want you to get this) 4eausep nobody will believe it-6tK-u they say it is a damn lie. '<

^forget how much I mae a wee m 'r Sl t

lV,'l never will forget him. Arrd-ttrfs store is the same now as it was back then xc pt pa-t

n e,
a-i e3-l-you go-I4^*^he-`*.X e-bPd6tme^O ts

A.^. I went to work for him. What I had to do was go tovork at 7:30

in the morning

C---- .-F -lid work'until 5:30. I do not Jn'e IU mi..n McCrory's Ten Cent Store. Went to work at

7:30 in the morning and we closed up at 6:00ewrdwe did not have a safe to put the money in

'F" .....We had about six cash registers. No safe to put the money in. .An filh-+7 the idea

was to hide the money. So, we walk out of the store, .-e twe had a little bag of all
the cash registers in the store and we put 4i- in a bigger bag.

-P: And then we were supposed to hide that as we walked ut of the store. We-eeid-o the

manager and assistant manager walk out yelling andfl- hey somewhere along tie I-r to a
e Wad beA\
-ba.k in the bac- of-t-te store, t4at money was dropped.

^ a,6awe had 6A
F: And CdliiiLstma ue auii, we had a lot of Christmas boxes and dropped that -4+f in a

Christmas box a-ad cme down the it-A t L lmu1ri1ng andl we lad d .------
U eYt ri ^frp kk 4 ^
go-t that mensc-A-And we did tLIe bA dll ,i ,L, trt so many boxes he-'e hard to -Feeemfr-

,-^D which one pat it t k- 4 dnOpeC Ir

J: -eda. How long did you work down there?

F: I do not know. I worked there for a long time., -t -h, t-heyta rated ... ... r-t

S" Ad --- p upwhere Vou got six

.six ckra T-- tf tuff had to be taken down out of -rat windows wiped off and taken upstairs

to h of La r, Take It up baket ne ...d on .a ght J.v.n

'-ed-uncrated and brought down and put in the window5a&+ that waYdone every other week in

one window.

F: A1r& that was done at night, an we would get through at 2:00 in the morning and we got no

extra pay. Put that in your book. Arrd once a month we did all the floors. We ake

kerosene and O ld "or 0'' and mop t, mpr, finr mp t.._t whole floor. People do

not know a damn thing about working. Tf-." do " I.nnr. nothing about Lrk.ng.-

J: Tt l rK

,I_: Hun'lh


J: Speaking about pay and work, when you were dawrrthMre working at Painter printing, how much
were(jakw pasc
did t.y Pa'y yuua week?

F: J, $6.75.

J: .7r n .....l

F: .Y4eaeh.--. \ 7

J: -And how would e P."th-t teio"?i In cash or a check. or what?

F: I forgot how he paid I think he paid me in cash. -fanrIa-i

J: How many other people worked in thQ. shop?

F: .H' m-an' othor people? Well on the press side there was I think about four, but I do not
Ca' Clir 4F-tI ^tVJa
remember w4& them Ctiffud Haven, I si Ivsee -f'iright there F: fun u-fLhat big machine.
-I&cAJ rlaln ?h
He was a tough rat. But I can not remember them. .

F: -8at on this side over here. getting back in thi prt

J: That is =Ler-4r the bindiJ side.

F: This is the binding room. This (a where they made the books.

F: Ad-t4etrr then staff a taken ou hefinshed jobs back part of nd taken

to the freight office -i -i e- wz- hppzed-t the post office.

J: Now, was that stuff ever taken out this side 1.4e-or was it taken out the back?

F: eYa. taken out the back, not the side.

-.o--Oky.- OuIL dIe bdL.Jk LL,,...-

'F* -a they might have opened that later, but

-F: .--=...=-b ey nawveevM1. this was solid wall.

J: What happened upstairs in that same wing?

F: Well, three 1.ie- i4e machines.
I arf \tViV\ C1A(^ (F-v-Hc-
J: h, v o ht ..mp bind% ide.

F: i machines was to the back. Upstairs in the back. ree of them.

-.- 4

F: TI uf -liem-..., Liei uf L.... : ie1 -Ai- feedi-t those things, you go ou leaded-

pig ,

Little potsI e( 4- R

'* "'I you ever seen a lead pig?

J: Yes.

F: Three pounds a piece.

J: Where were those melted?

-. -WatL?--

J. Thetly wuuldJ a.. th.et wouldlo

F: I melted it. I-m N.t -it.

J: You were melting?

F: I melted.

J: Where did you do that?

F: Upstairs.r-hed a big po right in the corner o his parij4-L tli .

'..J- ... ^-I rl LO, ILL 1111 ^e wl.ee.-y --. t~^,n

corner of this rL r /hat is where-this big was. 'CO

J: They did not have it outside?

F: No H'hk-h -

J: They were melting inside the building.

F: i4L4gt-'i inside.

J: V4iwjfhat kind of power generated, a hat id o-ef -er was used to ^ run ihe presses and xaee
-thbe line types?

F; Electricity.

J: E-lL iuciy. No steam power?

F: Ui- n

J: No big generator or anything like that?

F: Electric. "tmI UCkl t u4id -w

J: Uk l"Now jd ever comeb)by train.at-by-+''i there was aiding Wtatoam on the

north side of the building)


F: The train came 4-. r4$Me aMt-m right by the *ki..
,rw right

eF d wt t a station p Lip t ,-' r tI picad upt r .te..

J: Did 'f= gcet any paper or ink supplies or rollers or any equipment from the train, or

did most it come by truck?

F: No, I do not remember how they came. I de-rrt* think they came by trucks adR-t-4f

U-u.._,l __ oP6tcc~

f But I will tell you. Those boxes tiuse pages-cu in weighed 500 pounds

"-F- And I had to carry the-damn things-upstairs.

J: Wiht, how did you carry them up there? l

F: Had to -.to them *. in my hands. Every time I ,* upI put an extra pig on it so I did not
a'e wat y trip-9frA i, Odapy, Lney be' Ty

J: *-qght. u, w, t j before that shop was demolished, there was an elevator

about half-way down on this wall.

F: -9Bris that right? r Pt c

J: -And -wht they would do-i. take the iead and *we+k it up: in a chase or a form and then send

it downstairs and then set it on the press to be run. Do you remember that happening?

F: No, I do not. r Jr

J: Do you remember where they up'\b what er call the lock-upt- -pul t itt lead into

"A"- chase and lockit up -.e4 then puh it onto the press? Do you remember where that


F: No, I do not remember that. 4"e- tiL I will tell you something that is funny about thet

*t l.. l' I '''ll o ^ft wMcCrory's Ten Cent Store.

SI worked thinL I b V.-dei- o work- there two years and they wanted me to take

the Sanford store -ir I told them no, I was not going to move"

out of DeLand. --


F: So, I stayed and they got another man to go there. PI wa yYu a Lu Lrrl -yuu-thing.-. ,

a k -&fa-t e t', *rron7-"olknov; "-y i. al'th -Dime- StoreL they ha4 a candy counter and

they ha ribbon candy. I do not care what kind of McCrory store you go in, theylgot he

candy county f4'.- It is the last counter going out of the store, $n the left hand side.

".nd tho riP bb i -A !inin

,. c'ko ,le. awl & ct4ruc1'e foP Ie
43 Well, I was standing there eating chLua f candy, i- II t fh r.nln hnt -

El ever-+ave-

-- 1 II d...

rTre 4 was selling ribbons to somebody)

f- /nd she knocked the candy out of my hand. 1-4 d chT W I said, "God knows, this candy is

expensive." And she nodded her head like this. I looked away and there was Mr. McCrory

standing right between those two doors, r4+t- standing straight as he .-p His eyehit me

just the time I turnaround.

F: "Follow me." He went upstairs and he saF"Get a box." He talked to me about an hou rp.p

w-eaw- He had four thousand employees an-yhow roke w dbe if all ofthem took a piece

of candy and if they ate two or three pieces i++ke y he closi p

J: (eS< Where did.you live during this time? Where did your parents live?

F: They lived on Wec.Avenue.

J: What was the address?

F* .Ron nir pnrd.n?

F: I forget now.

J: About what block then? O ori'4 a 6VC wteS.

F: 'We,!1, it .... a-cc:rn- it was e-corner of MeWSJs and Mi :hrn. ri'ht n, t'- -- .Cr.. My

grandmother had a great big boarding house on the northeast corner.

J: We13>?that is a good little walk home-hen Youy went from ichBPT '- .L.l ,r fr.\ schod

-.- =;--sWS to Painter Printing and then -baa home to Merit and Florida. that is a-prett4-a --

w-at'7' at least -ilPt seven or eight blocks

F: YeS.

J: Nig5 your momma ran a boarding house?

F: Yeg, my mother and my grandmother did.

J: Did she also have a rooming house or was it just food?

F: Well, a boarding h"e. and a rooming house.

Ok \ Ied alo
f- People she- hd there tayciJ i theind jut ater elT(

J: How long did she operate that?

F: I do not know. 4, I-- d nuL kinuw.

J: Now, eyoubsie4dyou were paid $6.75 a week?

F: Right.

J: Did you work on Saturdays and Sundays?
F: No, did nct ork o- worked half a day dn Saturdays.

J: -Ha-f a dey-. Did everybody work -e+y-a half day?

F: Yes, sir.

J: And then you closed up. Which half of the day?

F. Hu,'.

S.. .I..r.-.. ; 3---hc tr[!cr nowi..7--
F. ie I IIr.J I.

F: Morning.

J: d*kaerdtlrrfy 4 -ae ag Now, you worked there for whl- two years(

Did you ever +aQe any raises?

F: I do not remember ever getting a raise.
jerP farpraj
J: So, you started there at $6.75 and when you left you 1eft-mle4i- $6.75.

F: Maki g $6.75.I $
F: ....... 6 3

J: Now, -thri i, Liee i--s a list of names here of some more people. -Yeu probab do remember

Joshua Connell?

F: Josh GOnnl-. 1 '5.


J: What did he do?

F: We called him Josh. A1. he was akf 'general manager. He was the man that looked after

machinery and looked after the operation of the place.

J: -Hab What about Corrine Stephns?

F: I do not remember abett her.

J: She was a married lady.

F: I do not remember.

J: Charles Russell?

F: Do not remember.

J: Ralph Mott?

-F---P. .?-

F: Ralph Mott.

J: eII -11 1,nrkd those three or four people would have prbhaly cr'l ,- I,-r- uD LI-r-t -pe

F: My mother worked down there

J.Wen did -J zho ^k?

-f /Before she was married.

J: When did she work down there?

F: I do not know when she worked down there. Some big people worked down there'

SBjrt Fish, one of the biggest m n;rr;e d. worki4 down there.
r- Lr ,r-4 ,- nay srotyeJp' 1
J: Now, he was a tockholde;ew- h .;4 I did not realize he worked down there too.

Do you have a sense of when he worked Jewo there?

F: I do no remember.

J: 4-I--i- before your time-+hought

F: Before my time.

J: Now, you said your momma worked down there before she was married. When was she married?

F: Well, she was married in a M9- about 1903.

SF- -Ui, l-
Ft -,W.t h .


J: She worked down there a long time ago, then. How about James Tate?

F: Who?

J: James Tate.

F: YeS. I enebel uicj we called him "T". But I do not remember him,. I really do not.

I can see him now, walking around there, but I do not remember what he did.

"--" A 1l,' F~, pl l,1.'kin-g rarodmL

J: Now, you said BQrt Fish worked down there. Do you have a sense of what ho did .l-z he -e

;wrke, do;;ni there? Was he a manager?

F. J rt Wh h?

F: I do not remember him working down there. That was long-t-i-me-before my time.

JF. ....

-F.-- 'rean.T


"F A orLmereu Sees a. my mother worked downthere 1.,ngwa Lu, k befQre 190.
v wwd K a e 10eeN Ae
J: Y That 4 .hen Mr. Painter was still- *ou

"F:-'--Hull? "

J. --TIi=-L w-+l-' -b.en whn.-M.- int. -wa st+-il a omu-e-i operating the business.

.I"-- ,. | o.y)usr di -*i4tm He moved to Jacksonville in 1897.

F: No. I do not remember him.
J: So, you would not have know him. There 4mi a couple of other ladies here. Martha Banta?

F: No.

J: 4Ar Flora Ward?

F: No.

J: Ad ,Iher Mrs. it Buck? .. ..-r.-A... !044oesTI L 2 .. ,?

SHow about t4k-i f- ew who called the ir designer superintendent, Harry J. Freeberg?

F: Do not know him.

J: Now, you were gathering signets;to make up books? i .tult ,uiL/ nd you

melted lead What else would you do?

F: Well, I delivered everything that had to go out' WJL'ff D w e had to

feed him too.

I r _I g ,

F: EF-7 ie had a horse in the bae4,- wa h,-- barn tbe back of the building.

J. dun.
-- H Mull. '

S J: i,, I, li d a h' s- ?

---F- horse and wagon.

J: (LauyUiLTn-I- Ana did you drive the horse and wagon by yourself?

F: Yes. -Yeao..


F: le i- 0-df He is dead now.

I one day, the telhone rang and Mrs. Johnston wanted five gallons of

kerosene brought -ri d--to the house. Now, you know, people say that they steal and all

thatstuff, they did that back then. She got the f:.c gnalloR- of kerosene and nobody

charged Mrs. Johnston L h that fe gallon, of Lcrosc

-- I +ma just turned the spigot an tok five gallons of kerosene and in the wagon went up

`' to the house.

V P 3;#

J: That was B.on Michigan Avenue?

^ Yea.

F: Did she b1i i thal-Li d o Johnston build that house?

J: YeD5.

-J. "itI It &we- burned dn_ in the twto-e .
-r_ ____ ve
F: -SJ, a;gnyayitr was a lot.vacan on the corner of Amelia and Micigan on the right .nd -i"a.._
"--Ne-tH- southwest corner) -.rtV,? V lUL Wda ope -r I took the
C6kr\^ VffQ r rk(r '
kerosene and drove old..l ye-'eeio in the back of the truck with the kerosene andve got

past that curb.o.i-;i -,L tg^!K ooing to her house .aem he said, let me get off this wagon."
/ -4o4 Ckt e. at\d Ilrl 102 b k II
jtlftte take that kerosen-rigt ct f th jump beek-on when you come ouL. So, he jumped
ot1an n I went over there with the kerosene.pJ r he was waiting #d when I came baciSA. I

gt the ettipitel -l i -'" -. ^ and
right hand tjn going around the corner of Amelia and he was running and I beatin

S rrr and I leaned over like thi-t pretty soon I went right into the whel1 of the

truck of Ltie Lue ua d the thing rolled me around Od -( vtj M .

Clark We ran through that lot tht op_"'-L got he wagon and the hours cgme
^^ / i /nd pit-~le upQ1 fI rd he I ^ Ome-
back and pit e upp he thought I was going to die.

v:4-- II- __I_ -

PT He thought I was a goeri But I do not remember what 4-d-isw- Clarkiei'. I never will

forget that.

J: *NO Clark was listed in the press room.

F: Ye,\Vhe wa ro

J. Al1, vwds Llie ho zse ^^J ~zR- ued-^ t yhu ^'e tnl.ez?

-F -What?-' -

J: Was the horse and wagon used the 'entire time you were there)or did -th f v+ r buy a delivery


F: MUy-j all the time I was-there we used the horse and wagon.


J: Did anybody own a car that worked at the shop?

F: J.C. Sewell had-i4-s car.

F. Yc, I.

F' I, do not know ae4t anybody else what had a car.

J: How about Mr. Johnston? Did he own an automobile or drive one?

F: Yee. He had 4,+s-car dh7en-. Vad about a 100 feet this side of the plant.

SJ. 1 Li ls area.I
"-F.- Welil, in tnis, sitting LIfi, Lk,"- thit. The gjrgc. J... r uul e ole .d, R:,, tg bz,,,',h.r-e'

J: tfutl.r ow I guess in the winter it might have got a little chilly in there? 4e--e-


F: I do not now.

J: ait have any air conditioning )

F: No. -We, if mentioned air conditioning to Johnston, he wouldufiredme.

J: -(Lu6htei- Did you have ceiling fans?

F: No. Uh"m..--

Y: Vou had-lilyH ceilingy

-?" Nothing to heat it with and nothing to cool it with. ( o c.

J: Now, there were no screens on the window so the bugs could come inifir Lithy wanted tVo V1

F: -ea-r Well, -at- m1 t11 yni ngo. I left the ten cent store and they wanted me to move to



-f-*nt then I started i.jiL-t-L(n a ey

S>sort of -utomobi lttr i while I was doing thate%*+4e-

"Toa 1s I ll nn.",--klw"know what the_ tliier /here was a boy, f.thi ncj + ,,

*. put three oil tanks -. on south Boulevard, right about where .t he,.- 'rk .

Clark's Furniture Store is/

Well, about 100 feet further south on Boulevard e putthree oil tanks

-'-=-'- -and one pump.

F. l. .c umpi And h trd Lu uiL, n e iL for two or three months I r"- tHo mnth_ he

tried to get everybody in DeLand to run it. uld not get anybody to pt their money in it.

I went (to him two or three times and L said wclfrun it for him, but I e h n-g any

money. S he sae-l he could nt do that. Finally, hed#e-- to me and fe I'm
going to take you up When you sell it, you pay me for it." GufS, r ll you

remember -see.4i- a store where the-t+at part was a little bit taller than L-i t i ,-LIcre?

Ir '^ t : b K7 Jf7rrc `lcr
r 6~er rt r kj -.(7
"f-" And.thn -te windows ""top

ith a transom IL tc .-th. lil i r, ...

J: lel the store--le*e on the right-hand side was a great big hardware store.

yellow ran it from Connecticut. He diot run it here,Vfrom Connecticut.

:;t,-4 osed A. in the summer.

jo't4Eac .;c'ti c ) so they cut a door out of that transom

S nd built wa little platform i-rle and put chicken wire around it so I could not get in

the building. *rmtcan ou imagine anybody couldcl i en with a pair of pliers and we

out it. xi


f 11uess if it wa

'I' .Sta platform 5 and I ould ztunJ 4thImi: Jdt-ye-t

1i ke Ikry L. see if I ha\A j customer Cr,'L u nd tr JTh

-. swidruli-r-. n

-F. --, al., t.l i* Quit an Rp1.a I Lt really ra--I makes me feel good. At that time,

C and l Ap od .. ef O December the

first .t.y d tf March the thirty-first

S/nd then they clo sed and th n c ..... ::, I Brooks got

a big hotel known'GalC Hall, six stories high) lr/.+I

J : Hu f
S.7--"'"/ive hundred and some odd rooms. -Aet Ray Porter asked me if I would go t Milh

with him. All the boys that had gone -ty there, except colored boyI must hav

been a good wiry guy because heVcome and beg nQ beg and beg n -go eR- up there and work.

And I told him no 'I was running th:i 1,itl my Texaco station so I was in the barber-

shop getting a haircut and the 47 ..a i, ew barber said, ' a good buddy of your
S/o rrr 'Lro AM
is leaving tomorrow l-iil, lii'," a iL I said, "Where in the hell is he

going?" He said, "he is 3f GallhHall in Pennyslvania."

I said, "What?" He said, "Yes, he just got his haircut." I g. l1
"I" So T t T
i not v a r -- .b....a "I-weT iup TneL Mlrisl )found Morris ) _
I am goiSo,
c am goingtol So, I Ray Porter and --t-a h__ T n_

--I told my .B-and mother .. f Dl a
to station and I said g tpay for this gasoline an got to put air

in tires for people and so forth. I did real good. was

too damn lazy and pc wrote me two r tee times wanting me to
^ .- j ..j-r ...jn ._. t.. b .... A.. _
come back. .--.- '- --U ":-::0f- O.-cours'e .-hadc never-don-that

.Mark-jiofifan a B-ll "". Do vou._n:ow: Mark Hoffman-?

S.,,-"p *. .
I:. .

a trr a-ttorney in Deland) rg pretty big- wheel-- he mLI biLriu

hiQur there was a board p-biT iewith all the rooms on i1t'

--z aii .C i a -ruu ......5,, i1 wanted some4-li- i :

pusI the button and tti 'buzzer rang ) 551, -* was my turn)-ad I jumped up.

I did not take the elevator. I was not allowed to ride the elevator unless I

was with a customer with the bags. j

S//ook the stairs. I went up -efive stories to 55,andshe wanted (k

Igo dwn -, -,_ ef Thieth fd i J

_bausue the other stuff is downstairs n. In T l o dwn tai ulem -

-a.nd ..w....: ... gl t tt t run up six gaire- and then come back and sit down.

J: I bet that wore you out. i / i___

F: (Laughter) JWeily toll I woul people come in aa-I would put as

much around my neck as I could possibly hold. ,ikolfbags I would je- pi around

my neck. I WUid Lky et- I would take four or five suitcases and when I

would get up there I would have two or three people. I would set them

around where I thought they should be and ope he windowb-aP We did not

have air conditioning then. And I asked them what I could do for them.
VV- TW^"Aet do(Ias) kA1 7 AW)
-on.^r everytime I r three or four

come out of there with fifty cents. He 01 0 "I ( a, ht .,
4%t M 1 44 IP_ C-____ rO JA JJ
Icf u I.... .m.lA stay there r/

g leng Qa_ _e getf a tip. I would see everything and then find out if they

need' something else.. And lil would say, "No, I do not believe Thank

you very much." Andkopen' coat! and pu11 a b 11 e.t .n.. give me a dollar

bill, two dollars, three dollars. _ T_ ou K Inlow, I 'ed it. I -

'WaStcl rainy. One d 3p;: afternoon, the fellows said here re wo an 4s-t

came in here with a brand new ckan Sheifired her chauffeur.

5k./aid he could not drive the thing fast enough. S she Wonly twenty one)

ItSh'- -- i and she is looking for a chauffeur. I said by gosh, I will call


age 25

-F.r. ..-her up. I called her e and she said, "Well, how can you chauffer me and

work here in the itel?" I said, "I can get off when you want to go someplace.

So do not worry about that. I will make it a point to meet your needs." So,

she said, "Well, you the post office zheg@ at the Hotel and

get the key for the car at 2:00 tomorroww afternoon.'.Pick 4 me and my companions

up at the front .," I"we = .-. -ean t .l-af- d

-^ie' I-taebisad a chauffer's license) and never had nothing t but I could

drive a car. I got into that damn thing and it was a long 6-rd 4 Ct

Vkth two big SfI tires on the back. I came down in that thing and I picked

her up and her companion and thr milo .,, An I weiL duwn

we got to

S. Pennyslvania, which is about forty mile .w-

,_ coming back. I went around t curve &ftk '-10

.. a re an that I had lost my jo(j .

next day she called me y and M, t t t,. rS96 \s tt bY/. "_

and we will be ready When I .a. .......h -e got that car
(1. hi -.-, .....l.. Whn I_"__"____ -...., 4 o nto ,,
I was coming down a hill W hpnod hrhe onh h

the running board. She said, "Jerry, ^ r'qs ^ ,c b rfiAnd t

got so that\fshe wanted to go out and I would open the door for her and she

would say, "I can open the door just as good as you can." Andvwe would-imake-

.- curve away from the hotel -end- she would have me stop and she would get in

the front seat and ride with me.
T" T .at i.s -f-iy. tow uiig did...?

"---" -Shz wa -; twenty ill.-

J: How long did you stay there?

F: 31 I stayed there until Labor Day.

J: Of what year?


Pe 26

-S-Thp= -fi ra-TI^ M pid.y-n.f o-f

J. Of wnat yea-?--

F: I do not know what year, OW

J: Before World War II?

F: Oh yes. h .--yes--

J: Before the repression?

F: Oh yes. hy-.

J: L- 0" .p nn srn '1 .rf

-P-- I believe it was in 19, e4* We.were married in-1926 V924.

J: So, did you bring that car back fem-&i-ain-rAugustine for her just before you

quit working for her?

F: e e t train. I-would was

quite an experience. And you know, 9_. __g_-

CevM and e-sid, "we want to go and have a little fun." I-i c I

A4 no license and n- thi /o identification on me whatsoever. And we would

go down to this greenhouse and then she liked to danC- She jIL).k f

ZOa ) wao cosmopolitan iC Everybody dance different

Where. You Pennsylvania Washington, D.C. peoplelhIr GeorgiaAS

-p4 heri J/nd Indianaeple--. -.- -And ilLLUyu go LU TuLdlclll g.-

eyl aide Sj e/f f
I had a ball. was --Wei I was proud of dancing I 1hd La.-pa- J Bl-

J: et.me- na, yk u. Let go back to your boyhood juot L.ta it.' When you
a+ Pa 'er4, > 0
were working dAon hcra, wa_ it. were there ever-'slow times when there was not

any work to do, yn ' rnn -her'h r-Zrirr 111'"g e 1 i. rL" i'" 1h'"?

F: No, see I was 4emrig- t during the war) See, tiht .we the first war.

e 27

J: Was it busy?

F: Busy as hell.
J: -uy as hfell. What kind of books did you all print? Were they*hardcovers

44! softcovers, 4-e

F: Al, -J- one of the big books laying down there. It was the

-9ej^ book ^@ MUOC t o bak

J. L---As0m"

-P T a nnn, thinr n1n,4 n 1

F: We made all kinds of books mall books fig books Aig binders VI mean

expensive books.

J: Did they have a machine there that would put a hard cover on a book?

F: Yes.

J: And did they do any books for the state of Florida? -Anylegal .. uuk! Any law


F: Yes.

J: Do you remember working on those?

F: Yes* J9 e.jj 0. 6eA Vj tomvj\ 14 Ve- ir s ?

J: So, you were working from three until five every day? Or would y-u wekL urelll

fj,'vf thirty oV f'-_r?

F: Well,- err I was not going to school l4 l ,j L m rzs ev ( re/ i t

J: So, for those two years you did not go to school at all?

F: I Pcs working down there at seven-thirty. I guess I worked t+i six.

J: You worked from seven-thirty until six, five days a weel

F: Right.

J: And then"Saturday you would work from seven-thirty until twelve.

F: That is right.

J: And for those two years, when you were between eleven ad thirteen years old,

ge 28

J: -..you did not attend school at all?

F: Right. -01 r'

J: And you would walk from your house on BetrrisAvenue 4aQa to the shop and then

you would walk back.

F: Right.

J: Were there any cars in town? iny-r- i t-w b

F: There were quite a few. My uncle who lived right across the street thkee-

in a boarding house had the first automobile in Deland. J.', 'SQ.,

J: Where would you eat lunch during your break?

F: I would come home.

J: eUiU etLnre How long would you have?

F: One hour.

J: ir- L a reak. ''Ani LLw.yteI,-' a What did most of the

other people ivo'?shop do?

F: Well, they brought a lunch and ate it in the shop.

J: ,Now, you say that ti---e wi al. ThIae Avewould deliver kerosene np7to his own

house. Did he also sell kerosene to people around town?

F: No.
dCn r
J: So, he had his own little kerosene %* that he would just use for his own

private purposes.

F: I think he had a kerosene stove that he cooked on.

J: T-.ee. Did you all have any space heaters? Or any kind f

F: They were not available at that time.

"- "Space heaters did not come out unti- if ( .e-yee L "-y Q

. Space heaters did not come out until o:1-- "., giir.,i aTn -- -i1_ _id th" 'rn

age 29

4 -h --. < --
J: Did you have any dewn...the in the shop, hit- yo r-rmam-r -

F: No, we did not.

J: '-uM dO -LE- u L LrUmberb, i ,ayk-ut" ,gY ohYou all had to work in the

cold then?

F: -6B (? S .

J: Did you enjoy working dawm there as a boy, did ..i wna. tM- -

F: Yes, we were all good buddies. -Yea-

J: Rdw__ a pretty good time? a ',-,c 11 ~L_

F: Yes. Ci Y d-+-Monday morning

avA; Avo@ -N when I got in v a- t hollerO and nobody
answered h4 (Laughter) So I z n -a dpunchedfin because *-said tht-e

going to work anyway. I punched) /: E- I 0 4 W g 4 11

I could not afford i4 I had to make some money.

j:--HNubudy elo.e AwFd up? For how long?2

J: How long was it until somebody finally showed up?

F: I do not remember now. I think the next day they came.

J: Oe -for one or two days they did not show up.

F: iPf (le a eS e, / d by the end of the week all of :them were-ett--


J: What were they upset about? Do you remhebrQ?

F: They wanted aemr-more money.

age 30

J: Did they get more money?

F: No.

F: 4rM' 4 -- -

J: Did you ever kill-out tg o uptire a tak. the wood spacdofd .

the lead and then a.p the lead baele into the pot and melt it? e- ier.emel.'--

Staking-it out o th.ett-

F: Yes, I valdeal(( I was the only one that handled that part. I
cL ^c /- do not remember now who poured that stuff in there. I believe I poured -i
Lead he + ^ q- ge4 tM/edo
myself. ---. ., .-m.-s is hot stuff lih-t l- d a*r ... .

J: SiW vr gpyop' .und egn^,4 -tL=.-i Were there any women that worked with

you around the lead .

F. --0-j-1jaT wTnord anrmindl f-hp-m.

*" Y--_-ou rsc 1L."

F: I was the only one.

J: lt hulj What happened i i.4t h1 r? U- p in this area of the 5 ?

F: Well thL t-prtL up Lher Iik tLlL waS 1- Lt I cannot remember what that

was just now.

J: -BEaco as I remember that was only for storage just before the building was

F: o- ^ ,I do not remember anything -e that.lT.i. -11 ay ,l.nhr Ti _T

J: Do you remember any other problems that the workers had. -liL-r ... Im-iou LL.. uru

t4me Was there ever talk of having a union theremaybe?--

F: No.

J: Just that one time they got upset and did not come to work for a couple of days.

F: Right.

J: Did you ever sense that it was easy to find work during that time?

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F: Well, it was not easy to find work. No.

J: So, they needed that job even though they could not get more money- o t f- it4

F: Wut1i, rt wi1 ) I. never M Ijob.

T.TT i i T, ,, I,. "r a M --

F: -Yes when I came back h- ran a fr tr- from Pennsylvania-t *ka-

-wae 1923. It iaO 1923 wlhn I o L.k .e. my service station was gontban-

{l& Mcd Ql-C_ had taken it. I did not have a jobC I a ,.. Lh-..

And then _____ I went to work for him. I went Alabama and

________ almosta- ear. /1 was married t Then I came back to
Deland and went to work for d "he and I worked for ( (,.

We r eemt Stha t
^- --- ^s- ..-.,. '- --. .j - ,
F And I Tom Stout had it andg bought it from 5?

went I~ndiana someplace. Then I ran into bus service station

And then I__ I went to work for 1im. I went __ i Alabama and

almost a.year.,..I was married the Then I came back to

Deland and went to work for / ~^ *^-^ he and I worked for

We Y___ You rememtberthat.

J: Yes, yes. A big pla own tiere.

F: And then sold out. She so d the building. So, we went dow -nin front of the

t office and had a place down there and so he _

S. So, Bob ______________________

i.,- r-e to --- phe ^ Gerald, why do you not take the Firestone -rfarn/1Saj7

-had ..a.foo tb---al L ni. JCrg g1i/.. Bnh

..Was there so I got a rid lip o-n ..Tacksonville and went to the pzame.

--nffic'. T had-an ;ji ppn f .And s

tab0-- *-1*3eL. "'ao, I went and me 1i1 .. .....-

later told mf -,t ry And h;a in n 1ii .. I--- l

1 itipeL ________ aughter)'-o. bo.SgaAd-ni, nnmp., TW,'rr, jQw 1yi
tsCf4 4f de -dnGL B16 eb00 4a JoA j 7 3f- 1 f es e
4-k ke Ale // 7Lg c n ___

-P e 32

? is -^ 4 olad /1 J ^j
S- .....UL- .dtparL- C So, we were in the credit bureau a.d I ait

A I Z' 1 m nlo t d "i IjaLK LL -----7 u n... ,..------------------ .
114ifte-----------11t bzpt+ rM --^af f r

SO.K." (laughter) )TeTP"I m

-: li id L L d d W21?

"; rI That was 1924.

--E dai hat in 1924.'

"f1:- -l'gg"?1TIeg.'^ '.-- 'HF---- *-- .. '--;

J: You had that dealership in 19243 ndlh ad it ever since?

F: Yes. ,.l, "

J: W
F qWhL do you meyall!. -^'

iJ. -Well, IhuW &MLauIa'inu L hlu$ .bL bLuplB 0 ".

F.... --Wait -a mine.r I a e= ahad f-- mys-IL-. I, got married

"in 1926. I had u r\..5_ ,_ _,_ on New York Avenu e- e po -- a

Qu.one M d J_____

.. -i2,The i 1 opene

F. Weil, iT was not tard." I hlid LA of .l- .- ^n4, rln i

,y.--w ^- T l d .- p gong p.re tty. .we -l1 "'

J: When you went to work +cr7 did you have to sign a contract? T: igu P-ufie uf -

F: Contract for what?

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J: To be an apprentice) r that you would work for so much a wage? / that you

would be there for*a 4a1,-- tL7

F: No.

J: How about any paid vacations? W.T hor-Pe 1-1 any t!lT "f that?

F: No.

J: Or insurance or workman's compensation?

F: No.

J: -f, -f yuu Wtre hiUL tlr What happened when someone was hurt on the


F: If you were hurt on the job you would go to hospital and then home. He dd lof pcK

1*T-h-ImwaS. t.-r.--_ r 4

F. Ye _____________

J: He was not going to pay for it? You all were going to have to pay for it?

F: Right.

J: l.,w lu iiL prll UjJ 1in Llie area? Wet.. cr-.e. any.. Were there any print-
;,JJ-AH^ 7.-^r Pr. ^j V __
shopsYto give khf competition? o- glIv anly compeui LLuiL

F: Well, I A kQ^ t ) C4 C- ^4 or '' -Pr'- j CS-/Q

J: Iw abl ae--pLaeey Ling-boeerr-eiim-to? Do you

-evr remember the place being broken into or kids throwing rocks at the windows

and breaking the glass out of them? U ytng

F: No.

J: ielA I know at one time 44 had real problems with flooding. -It-would-a.ijn-

"JTherp --"Ul b- -a -dy':- lh"I-FQ-

F: Yes. We had C 0 w o e et j_______ ne day it was One. tme when
JL -
it rained the water got about six feet deep.
e J: "e-b. Did i4 ever come e inside the shop he floor?

F: No.

J: vou do notQ emramn ocr ehet. So, you were working from seven-thirty in the morning

age 34

T--- until six at night.

F: When I went to work for myself I went to work at six-thirty and worked until


J: 4hLw. "oa mti- fi--i.-Huw lu, did-yuu-hmvretu doxrth at-& wire 5"-y

J: Wow, etme ask yu uupl ufT&e ad' w ll Now,

you said most of the materials came in by truck, not by train.

F: Right.

J: Do you eer- remember taking the horse and the-buggy out to the train station

to pick up anything?

E: [Jo,

Jz Tghy d4o --w
-I wdI~nL* t thank .you f'er ifm .mp uround -

j' 1'Wl' -I,'. Want to congratulate you on that and congratulate you on your long and

happy and healthy marriage. You have got a fine wife. You hae a fine place


F: Thank you. I ... "-,

J: I-;"-L. T ^niTjPr I have really enjoyed talking with you and I would sl-k-ith

a little bit about your political activity in Deland. However, let me

"a" you jb ut a uplUF uf muL.e qUtLiULLC abuuL *- tPrf We talked
(Jt c----AJCLACA t U^'^ vli-W\ ~h> .
earlier about -eaktg the horse and bggy el delivering books and finished
do ) 1del;e:o t tterheads
products downtown. Do you remember -a better heads -a pa. to
0'r- Ct1 o.--C_ S _
law offices andatm4.e to 4ha county .wvn y aL ou: thca

F: Yes, with a horse and wagon. Not a--buy.r


un4opagll a .n

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J: Do you remember taking that don to the court house specifically, er-

F: Courthouse qi Indiana..., Ate/ AC,

J: And did you ever take any business down to Sam Jordan?

F: Yes. r k?

J: How about Brte Pilpo

F: I do not remember him, but I probably did.

J: How about4h I^a-Landis, lawM rk ?

F: Yes. Of course, that was Lac Pk ICI b ,


J: Now, were there also some other businesses like, say a paint shop or a restaurant

that you delivered gbods to?

F: Yes.

t Di-< r y-- rergr-tr" r--:h r te .'-!

J: You were married in 19267

F: +2-1J

J: 1994 So, you are having your L -ah---We -E-have-alarYeady-.hadWtaylSfi4

wedding anniversary tI-. M-I--u -i g on 0it%;-. eK, J ^o

-P -- Rigln

F: Right. (laughter) That is something am+fiL i'--

J: ThIat mtiL .w, yua C td. You opened ps your own shop in Deland

in 1929, ind the Depression struck nrd'how well did your business do?

F: Well, thad a pretty good business. --

H---iA-----A pople-woe.-tw1.ingt-eelp-c-i-n t-iael-you-o -ealie n- a


StTat-were il-ing t-o--help-..you -out -earl ier- and -yQu had

Pa 36

S.... --L&ew 1 t--he1'Z-...

F-P~-- I got anything I wanted. I buTrurWj

I borrowed from one time to another. to.. -ten times from every bank

-3> I borrowed in Daytona Beach. I had four stores at one time. I borrowed
from two of-the banks in Daytona Beach and borrowed from --t- _4_ DJ C_,_ '

I never had any problem at all with getting am money. .
17hz v done d czvcitM AiS
And I Lu Jd -..ma tl-.. $700,0004 in one year.

o -Geed night.-Yu' iaJ a Lufcb i i dally mrL' LCmf ...

--F' --T yiii- p _-d nQ^?

j. *Always Lmuiug guY V.Cpi(l Inver. Alwjyb mdkiugjt- _^l e y-.-
-: e, I hkav had have been very happy. /) ] 1 / I have been

to see five governor, --fu uf- uI uwiT:- I wni alou--. I----

: took a L- WILI wi'L li ~

-J. a, yo wre iLh Warren for a whil' W-a. hro v 1- nott
?=- J /

F: .... h Via e was running for governor, /A' f \ /

.: You .c.. him M.e hehc ran on ..r.5., a-- Fred P. 6 g

? (y -lj, I/ sVhte,,! bt- hcS4d, ,, 'l.t. .-C C -tc-- dk.-f
s p4 4.Jr, OIV 4-1,ee BOVE4%'L rly -a o Ar '0A' (1 CC -'r4
J: You were in charge of that in 1940?J CA0
F: I was the whole team. I -wa tho wholc tunm 0

J: Why did you think that was important?

r*. wal- tli/d n Mjj 1& t c ei 4i lErc m-terv-
(\o (i^ rCG-ttS ^n.zrD4A hctz.

VOL 3 4/

4ge 37

J: So, you dedicated the road. Was there a curb system1 /nd a water and a storm

sewer system put in that time?

F: Yes, sidewalks 0Cw-S

F! -- ftft-waf-tS Yes

J: And that was dedicated dwrrrat the courthouse?

F: Rl -. Dedicated -. ( 4- -VCj ^ ( Jr 0 ,! 1e L/ LJC (

J: jTwhat were some of the et4@e- positions that you held in Deland? -The rL.arX-

F: I was the past president of the Rotary Club.

J: Did you serve on the Chamber of Commerce? Or on the city council or commission?
ap Poys.- -iP.y1,.'ro{, C(v,cne- I car,,a-., (A -th/. rC-itrd vs,"j.
F: I -A -president of the p. .ty-.cau.ni.,. --- wa

-' CD-A)r'e rcer-

J: d- here lto_''-w our business was started in 1929. Do you

still own-that?

F: Oh, no. I went bankrupt. Westinghouse and Frigidaire and all these
different refrigerator They sold tfaand when they

came to me p(he Cre4 mnaer called me up and ... -Th Ly said

Gerald, I have some good news for you and some bad news. S -- ...
k Tyt 90-v, xltv- 6eel? 6 hd^' bf $ w^ ell -4tr- 4-.3- 5e\
\k A No fan, no refrigerator, no anythingand it- was eld e Sd::-.5-?-. /

And he said, "now we have got to -ke your account and .liquidctr a. __ H (/A

"They o"id tw have been such good friend they are going to give you

thirty days. we5l lJe () #ow much do you have 4r-books now? He said,

"orty-=et"gt l fifty-eight thousand boo e.fr a di'ars .

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w---d- I borrowed the money to pay Westinghouse. off, yes. But, __k t, ff ic<
4)k 5s^$2e 4'LHC J n M 4rd hev'e bee. /, -('. earblij c{--f

J: As I recall, you had an automotive part of your business, too) /here you repaired

automobiles and put tires on?

F: Yes, ____ I dCi h"C no 14o w a^ UW .

J: It was all appliances?

F: All appliances.

J: How did LhuL .um out? Borrowing the money and having to pay Westinghouse a4hi 4rn t/e?

F: Well, you ha.d o pay 4t off- / Ae/ t dc/--e)

LT. T Ai nRt r-1"f th' t a! thoc np ---lira pliar. i 1,11fLurers-- went oul

*-f butle".

F: ___. __------ oAd h S been able to sell
-l4 nAol-a-c wrR' hare c.rmed -iC *-I I-K F Cn3
Frigidaire, oFrigidairedid '- ad

-L n et cibl LU bell 1L -..o ru lmu whaL -k' ked oUrlidiJ...

They were not going to ;/h/ 'Q Tcompany

".np t- in Clevelandi- Ohio .( -t B bought Westinghouse out.

first th. everything. And Ll.er-

th u L, a, Theybought five companies out. So, they

eliminated the competition, quick.

eS It is a hard thing to take.

S --.-t- -' LE,-, h b t% "ess that has "

Of 4'Fifty one years I had been there.

J: FifLy ure.. year7 And of course you had worked another fifteen years here in

Demand before then --netr jobS

F: Yes.

J: It is a shame to see a business go under. a nrl.m.. rn -r o ,ha n T-1 ha. .h. -

---a ---.--. ---e t4tnhatamen opleo.kewhonQo Your name was.Twi-

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-a--. -a household one in this area.

F: Yes.

J: Did you have any franchises or a-y -ther -buansnae o in Daytona New Smyrna, r.e ?

F: I had four stores at one time. I had one store in-,ypras one in New Smyrna

Beach, and one in Daytona.

J?*. iPTpd iII VyoUOStl O Ma R a=

J: Did you use those stores as your own private franchise?

F: Yeso ye4ar

r-- PAdt hnT. i tA a y '"rk _tt>l

J: How did those ,h.. A- A -"-_c stores .--hLt e --L y- d .d y operate?

F: Well, it was right after the war and (' |oeTi- l W i?+ (Ici':r if was promised

a whole lot of things that they just could not deliver.

J: How long did they operate?

F: Oh "aboet.Iad ..-.eebLu s... h -tb-abt theyarB.. The Daytona store I

had about eight years. The Cyp3oa store I had I think three years. The Daytona

store w.ee-4 le I believe I had 4 ten years.

J: Well, Mr. Frierson, I enjoyed talking with you today and I wish you, -i--h

i-.the 1-.L. *

4"-'"Atmd-I-x a he best fvr-yn on your coming eightieth birthday and. in two years

your sixtieth wedding anniversary. That is quite an accomplishment.

F: Time is marching on.

I TI- is rs Esp i-ou red

V 3 A

J: ...today, I will incorporate into my book. Into my work.

F: \

J: I thin what I could do is, would you like anarticle in the newspaper?

F: Yes.

J: O.K. Let me write...

F: See, you got a god start right here.\Ah, 19...

J: I fou d that information in the ah, the 'story of West Volu a County. I is

called he Fluction. ou may have that boo` And it was submitted by... Y u

may have submitted it you self. I will send you a copy of that an then I will\

write up an excerptt for you c look over and we wi 1 see about submi ing that
to the Deland News for public action.

F: OK.u

r : \I ink that would Ba good way of adv rtising for you and or myself and fo


F: O.K.

J: ank yo again. I have rea ly enjoyed this and yy have got quite \place.

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