Title: Interview with C. S. Miley (August 20, 1968)
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Title: Interview with C. S. Miley (August 20, 1968)
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St. Lucie County (Fla.) -- History.
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C.S. Miley
August 20, 1968
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So far this evening I've been getting along real well. I've accomplished

three things that I've been trying to accomplish for a long time. I have

been trying to get Harry Schultz to come to one of our meetings, and I find

he 's here tonight, and I've been longing for a long time to have him on

one of our programs and I want you to know that two months, the second

Tuesday in October we'll visit with Harry Schultz and I'm quite sure he'll

do all right. And I've been trying to get Mr. Miley to talk to ls about

the Junior College. And he is here with us tonight. I'm not going to

tell you how long I've known Mr. Miley because if I do, and you add and

subtract a little bit you can make out how old he is and how old I am.

And I'm not going to tell you except that I've known him a long time.

And I'll say this in his behalf, that I don't outside of my family

anyone that knows more about me and what I'Ve been doing ih the last

few years, in the turn of the century around, anymore than Mr. Miley.

And if he hadn't been a good friend, you all would've known a whole

lot more about me than you do, and I appreciate that. I also want you to

know that I watch over through the years numbers of projects started in

this county. Some good, some not so good, some stayed with us and some

didn't. jBut the thing that we have need all through the years, and at

the proper time I think at about eight years ago, a junior college started

in Fort Pierce. I think it was a thing that was the mest needed and

sincerely I believe that of all my experiences here that nothing has ever

happened that has ever done more for St. Lucie County than our junior

college. And along with that I can't help but give credit to those

whosecredit is due. And I don't know all of them, but I do know that

Mr. Miley as chairman of that board and his committee, plus Dr.

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C.S. Miley
August 20, 1968
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King and then Brian and Charles Sample, they have built, I think,

something that is really worthwhile. I think tha credit should go to

where it is due. I'm going to ask Mr. Miley to tell you, if he will,

about our junior college. I want you to remember that Mr. Miley, I

don't know whether if it hadn't been for Mr. Miley, we'd been as far as

long as we are. It is now my pleasure to introduce to you Mr. Charles

S. Miley. And his wife will get introduced after he'-4-through.

Miley: Folks, it gives me great pleasure to appear before you tonight

to speak about the junior college. In fact, if you mention junior

college I can't help but speak wherever I am or under what ill conditions

may be. The junior college is my first love. I work at the newspaper

to make a living, but if I didn't have to make a living I would be at

the junior college most of the time, I imagine. Now before I start into

my talk, I want to thank you all for this privilege of being here tonight

and to talk about the junior college. Because it is your junior college.

It is our junior college. And I want to express my appreciation of all

the support and work that Mr. Saunders has done through the years on

behalf of this college. He has been one of our most loyal supporters

in and out of the legislature. And I do want to say that Maxwell King,

we knew him as Mr. Junior College in the four county area. He was beloved

by all of us. He did a wonderful work out there. But I do want to say

also that what we have coming up the first of next month, a man who we

believe will be a top notch, first class, successful president to

carry on the work in the traditions that Max has established and carried

on so wonderfully during these eight years. And I do want to pay tribute

also to Ben Braun a nd the county school board and every school board in

this four county area. We have found them one hundred per cent cooperative

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on every occasion. For anything that ever benefitted the junior college,

they were all a part. Now, to get down to my little talk for the afternoon,

it's divided into three parts--three phases of the junior college program.

First, the concept of the junior college program in Florida; secondly ,

the program in the state; third, what it all means to us. And so I shall

proceed, and I trust that my talk may be informative as well as interesting.

There are three main objectives in the junior college system. First, is

to provide two years of academic, liberal arts training for the high school

graduate, or for the person who has the equivalent of a high school

education, we offer two years of college level training and study in our

junior college. When a young man or woman has graduated from our junior

college, he is fitted and able to go on to any university or college in

the state, or for that matter, practically for any in the South, __here

"-wa4-- begin his junior year in that institution. And I might say right

here that those who have gone on, for the most part, have made a great

success of it. We have had some outstanding students from this college

in our higher colleges and universities in this and other states. We are

trul proud of them all. That is the first objective of the junior college

program. Another objective relates to those of our young people who dropped

out of high school, or who for some reason have never had the privilege and

opportunity of a high school education. The junior college objective in

relation to this class is to train them to hold down a job, to make

better citizens in the community, to be able to takercare of themselves,

to be able to contribute to the society or the community, the state and

to the nation. In other words, we are prepared to give them a vocational

or technical training, two years of it, ;. practically any subject that you

might approach. We provide this instruction in any subject where we can

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eight or tan or fifteen people interested. It ranges all the way from

cosmetology to kindergarten to waitresses, to nurse training. A young

woman or man, as you may know, can pick a two year course in nurse

training here and qualify for the state examination, through our junior

college. That is a second chief objective of the junior college program.

Now the third in which many of you have participated and some of whom have

been instrumental in planning such instruction if the adult education

program. You would be surprised how many adults are interested in

carrying on or going back and taking up some subjects which they never

h ad the opportunity to study at any length before. That ranges all the

way from painting on to the numerous arts and through history, psychology,

almost any subject that you could bring up. We are prepared at the junior

college to provide that instructionW anywhere, anytime, within the four

college area where a class can be authorized to take such instruction.

And we have had many, many people take various and You can't

go out to the junior college anytime day or night, scar cely that y&u don't

find the campus filled with cars and the classrooms filled with classes

taking this, that and other instruction of various and kind. Let me

say also that there are many advantages in myopinion in the junior college

program. One is the financial aspect. For as much as three hundred dollars

maximum, any student can attend the full tow-semester year at our junior

college taking a complete course of studies and participating in all the

activities of the college purchasing, buying his books and other

supplies that might be necessary for three hundred dollars. Now can you

imaginewhat that means to many of our boys and girls? And fathers and

mothers, too. I'm sure that some of us can, but, for three hundred dollars

per year we are prepared to offer him and give him two years of college level

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training and education. You can't beat that anywhere. You know as well as

I do that to send a boy or girl away, out of home to college, no matter

where it is, Tallahassee, Boca Raton, Gainesville, what have you. It

would cost you a thousand or twelve hundred dollars. Now, that is the

financial end of it. Let me say right here, too, that this college has

never turned down one single individual who wanted to tend that institution

who was prepared to carry on the work there. In other words there are

ample scholarships, Federal loans and campus work opportunities for

him to earn all or part of the cost for attending out college. And nowhere

student has ever been denied permission to attened our junior college and

as long as I have anything to do with it he will never be denied such an

opportunity. That is just one of the advantages. Now there is another

advantage which can't be measure from the money angle and I'm sure that

along with me you will recognize its importance also. That is the fact

that by keeping a young man or young woman home an extra two years he

learns much at home, he becomes much more mature, he becomes better

prepared to leave home toattend a college at an out of town place than

he could possibly be when he comes out of high school. For our students

who enter our higher institituins, for instance today I noticed that the

University of Florida expects twenty thousand pupils next year. Well suppose

one of our boys goes there, at the University of Florida, to the University

of Florida. There he is merely a number, or maybe he just isn't even a

number even at that. But here he has an advantage of being at home, He has

the advantage of paternal supervision. He has the advantage of a commuter

life and so many other advantage of that nature until I think they far

outweigh any financial advantage that we could possibly-make. That much

for the general layout of our college program. Now, the college program
for th

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in Florida was started barely ten years ago. About twelve years ago

we had four junior colleges operating in Florida, all privately or

county operated. There was no state system of junior colleges. About that

time some of our leading educators became interested in extending the

junior college program. And so in 1955 the legislature established what

was known as a Community College Council, first setting stage before one

of the most remarkable educational developments in the history of Florida,

and for that matter, in the nation. Because many states are now copying

the Florida plan for the junior college program, and we are one of the

leading states in the union in the junior college work, surpasses only,

I believe, by the state of California, which has had junior colleges

for many years. In 1955 the state took over these four or five junior

colleges in existence and the legislature authorized the establishment

of six more colleges. Since that time each legislature has authorized

one or two or three colleges practically every time the legislature has

been in regular session. Today we had twenty six junior colleges in

Florida. Now, here is the big point about it. With the establishment of

one more college, which is now scheduled to open in the fall Florida will

have provided two-year college facilities, the adult programs, the vocational-

t technical opportunity to ninety nine and six tenth percent of every person

in Florida. I think that is one of the greatest things that has ever happened

to the state in an educational way. Ninety nine and six tenth per cent. In

other words, ninety nine and six tenth of our boys and girls can stay at

home and attend college. You can't imagine how much that means to so many

people, or maybe you can, because there just couldn't be anyAset up, I don't

believe anywhere, than such a set up as that. And let me say that today in

these twenty six junior colleges we have enrolled approximately a hundred

twenty five or thirty thousand students. Now here's something that might

surprise you. Sixty per cent of all the boys and girls who are enrolled in

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this colleges in Florida or are enrolled in a junior college as freshmen.

Can you believe that? Well, that us, that's what they tell us. As I

mentioned a moment ago, the Florida plan has spread through out the nation.

Practically in every state they are establishing junior college programs.

That is one reason why we find it so difficult in Florida to keep good

firstLclass presidents and other executives. The competition is so high

until these other states just simply raid us and take some of our top

class executives and presidents from us every year. Many years ago now

I've come down to a little bit local situation, more and more personal.

So I hope you will pardon my pride because I really am proud. I can

very well remember in the years gone by, I became interested in this junior

college business many years ago. But upon seeing so many of our fine

young men and women just out of high school just forgetting any farther

formal education whatever. In other words, when they finished their high

school, that was it. They got a job in a filling station or a drug store

and there we got, got married and what have you and so on and that was the

end of everything as far as a formal education was concerned. Now it takes

many years sometimes for a seed to come up. You got to plant it. You got

to cultivate it. You got to water it. You got to hoe it. You got to

dream. But eventually they do come up. In 1957, Ben our county c

superintendent who just then was taking roll, I believe, he designated

Maxwell King to make a survey of four county area to ascertain what prospects

there might be of supporting a junior college in the matter of enrollment and

need and benefit to the area. Max made that survey and it was_

ANd so with the blessings of the state education department we went before

the county commission and the school board and asked them to pledge for the

first years operation of that college, Vsome, which at that time ,I believe,

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was five thousand two hundred and eighty dollars. You might be surprised and

chagrin to learn that we did not get the pledge. So, two years later

Mr. King made a supplementery survey in the area to bring the 1957 survey

up to date and it is pointed more strongly than ever to the need and the

possibilities of a junior college in this area. And so we went back to

he school board. We had a sympathetichear;at that time. Meanwhile

Harry who was at that time senator in the Legislature

had passed a bill which split the race track funds between the county and

the school board and from the county protion, from the school board portion

of that money, they pledged what then amounted to eight thousand dollars

ard something as this county's part in support of a junior college

program to be established here. And so our junior college was designated

to be, the area to be composed of St. Lucie Indian River, Martin, and

Ockeechobee Counties, the four county area. We began, we ope ned the

college in September of 1960 and there's many of you remember they were

first accomodated for the first two or three years in some temporary

buildings out there on the campus of Fort Pierce Elementery School, to the

former high school and former school. And so we operated

there in a way, and it was in a way, for some two or three years and then

we played plans for the construction of,(I want you to stay. My wife has

another meeting to attend. She's not leaving just because I'm talking.

But she has another meeting.) The city was good enough to give us as

a campus for this junior college the old dump. I'm sure you remember that.

And it was a dump. There was three or four feet of broken glass and tin

cans, and automobile parts and everything else like that scattered over

that area. But we were glad to get it. We went in there, sixty five

acres it was at that time which -t has been expanded from. at this time.

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And there we built the first building and have been going ahead ever since.

Now let me see that in our first year of operation we had a hundred and

fifty nine students, full time. The first student enrolled in our junior

college was young lady by the name of Anne Cari--C-A-R-I. You might

be interested to learn that she had just completed her Ph. D. degree in

Ohio University in the subject of biology. All right now, during the eight

intervening years since this college opened in 1960, some six thousand young

boys and girls have gone through its doors. Approximately six and, that

is for full time equivalent students, there have been two or three thousand

additional part time students. And goodness knows how many in the adult

training program. We estimate there must have been at least ten thousand in

the adult program since that time. Approximately six hundred students have

been graduated by the college during this period. Next year we expect to

have at least twelve hundred full time equivalent students, plus a good many

part time, and of course there will still be a large enrollment in the

adult program. During our first year of operation we had twelve instructors

and we thought we done right good. Today we have sixty two professional
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instructors.,-nd thirty five non-professional personnel. OUr physical plant

on the campus with this equipment is valued around three million dollars.

The total payroll for next year will be nine hundred and sixty four, a hundred

and thirteen dollars. The total budget for the coming year including all

salaries, operation expenses, and everything else of that nature will be

one million, seven hundred and ninety four thousand. One million, seventy

hurdred and ninety four thousand. Now when you think that

a little over eight ten years ago we had difficulty in getting a pledge

of eight thousand dollars to carry on this institution for the first

year you might very well agree with me that since that time we've come

a pretty good ways in having a total salary there of nearly a million dollars

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a year and a budget of a million and seven hundred and ninety four thousand.

I believe that's doing pretty good. Now let me say right there so that

y ou don't get uneasy at tax payers, that practically all of this money

comes from state and federal sources. The participating counties

contribute only five per cent of the minimum foundation program. And

let me tell you what it will be in each of those four counties. In

St. Lucie County we will contribute for the minimum foundation program

the sum of seventy thousand seven hundred and sixty seven dollars.

Martin County will contribute thirty four thousand eight hundred and

sixty eight. Indian River will contribute forty nine thousand five hundred

ninety nine. Ockeechobee wil contribute seventeen thousand four hundred and

forty six. And so, don't you think that we're getting a pretty good

bargain for the money we are putting into this institution? I sure do and

I know that you do. Now let me take another lttle look at the participation

of these four counties in the matter of student enrollment. Indian River

County last year had two hundred and sixty five full time students. Martin

County had a hundred and nineteen. Ockeechobee County had fifty five. St.

Lucie had five hundred and six. Well those are some of the outstanding

figures and facts that I wanted to bring to your attention. I could keep

on talking here, goodness knows how long, but you'd probably get tire of

it. But let me wind up by just saying this. As I said on many occasions

before and I truly believe that our junior college here is one of the

greatest assets that we have in the four county area. It has done more for

our boys and girls in the way of education and providing them the opportunity

to earn a livelihood and to better themselves in the world ahead of

us, this jet age, than any other one thing that I know of. I believe and

I have said many times that I think it's one of the greatest things that

has ever happened to education. Not only here but through out the state

a nd wherever a community junior college is being put into operation. I

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truly believe that and I'm sure that you will agree with me. Now I do

w ant to say further that we do appreciate the cooperation of the people

of our own community, of the people of Indian River, Martin, and Ockeechobee

Counties also. And let me say this as I mentioned before that we have

had one hundred per cent cooperation in every facet of our operation from

all of these counties and I do believe that this junior college has

done more to cement the good relations between and among: these four

counties than anything else that has happened in recent yeats. Many of

you know that outside of Fort Pierce that Fort Pierce is not in too good,

a lot of people just didn't think too much of Fort Pierce. That was all

that became of Fort Pierce of the idea of the project that came of

Fort Pierce, they looked at it with some doubt. But I can tell you

that this junior college and the fact that the students have come here

from all the area, I do believe it has done more to cement, or build

up the good relations among the people of this area of all the things

that have happened in all the recent years. And I beliee that it has

done more to upgrade the cultural level, of the community and the people

than anything else that we have ever had. I have noted the remarkable

diff erence, a remarkable growth in the cultural level of this area.

So may people taking these adult courses, so many of our young people

going to school, so many of our young people learning a trade, and every-

thing of that sort, until frankly. I think it has been a great thing for

the entire community. And I know that you will join with me in the appreciation

of that fact. Now let me say again that we have coming to us as our

President, Dr. Herman D. of Pensacola, who I beleive is

going to make us one of the finest presidents that we could find in the

state. He has a wonderful personality, and he has a wonderful background

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and I'm sure that he is going to carry -on the fine work that Max King

started and carried on for eight years. And agian I do appreciate the

opportunity of appearing before you and I trust that my remarks have

given you some idea of what the junior college system is, how it's

set up and what it is doing. Thank you so much.

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