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Interviewee: Paul Longo
Interviewer: Gary R, Mormino
Date; July 2, 1980
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M: I'm talking to Mr. Paul Longo today. It's July 1, 1980,

?: I love you. (Singing.) You are my sunshine, my on-- sunshine.

??:

?: Don't talk.

??: Well, now you talk into it. Use this.

?: You are my sunshine,

??:

M: I'm talking with Mr. Paul Longo again. Mr. Longo, I'd be interested if you

would repeat a story you told me the other day, how your father heard about

Tampa. You had mentioned that a friend in Tampa wrote a letter to your

father, in Alessandria de la Roccia?

L: Well, yeah,

M: Would you, you what it said?

L:

M: Uh huh.

L: Our father, our father lived-in

M: Uh huh.

L: ____.C / C

M: Uh huh.

L: sit between my father and him. There happened to be

Listen to me: And my mother

had a with my sister as well. But

had no My mother was the strong and thought both



M:

L: Well he sent a letter to my father in

Alessandria de la Roccia. 1C utsnf -(ie Your b JroH r is ,o0 oo!, -







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L: Tampa. I do my best to prepare all the

M: Uh huh.

L: And my father was -4iL _

M: Why did he say he should come to Tampa?

L: Huh?

M: Why did Mr. Comelio tell your father he should come.to Tampa? What was in Tampa?

L: I don't know the .Probably made her some thing got a living in Tampa.

He's a

M: Your father was a mason, right?

L: Huh?

M: Your father was a mason, a muratore?

L: Mason in Alessandria de la Roccia. No, he decided to

come and and a sister and he


M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Right.
*^ern r
L: because the man was doing what the how you call 4ti oven,

M: Oven.

L: Oven -- the one

M: Forno?

L: Oven with the..,.

M: Bread?

L: Bread -- no.

M: Fiorno, uh, forno.

L: Forno.

M: Forno.

L: Forno.

and that would be about six months here comes a job on a restaurant







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M: Uh huh.

L: Sama.

M: Sama.

L: Sama

M: Uh huh.

L: Also you put away for the union speeiiay.

M: Uh huh.

L: ___about two, three blocks from the, you

know, .That's where I come down...

M: Right.

L: Grandfather and

M: Uh huh.

L: To

M: Right.
to do.
L: I didn't know whatA I went to Tampa.

M: was used in Tampa?

L:

M: Remember their names?

L: Well ....

M: You were that six boys came with you to Tampa.

L: That was Drapan. Drapan.

M: Drapan? How do you spell that last name?

L: How you spel"?

M: The last name?

L: Drapan? D-R.-A-P-A-N

M: Drapan. Okay, thank you.

L: Drapan.

M: Uh huh.

L: And the other was Anfelido Numerato.






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M: Numerato.

L: Numerato. And another was Inco.

M: Ingo?

L: Inco. I-N-C-0.

M: Uh huh.

L: Inco, Inco .AndLlbngo, Paul. What is the other?

M: What, what....

L: Ferantez.

M: Ferante?

L: Ferante.

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Were they your friends?

L: Huh?

M: Amici?

L: Amici? Not a single one.

M: ?

L:

M: Uh huh. Who paid your way? Who paid your way to Tampa?

L:.

M: Your father? Right.

L: Oh yeah.

M: Who paid his way?

L: Who?

M: Who paid your father's way to Tampa?

L: Who paid father?

M: Your father's way.

L:

M: Oh.

L:






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M: Teniglio.

L:

M:_ Alright, alright.

L:

M: How did you get from Alessandria de la Roccia to Palermo?

L: Who?

M: To Palermo. How did you travel from to Palermo to port?

L: Oh, we went on they are called carretto.

M: Carretto. Donkey cart?

L: We.went in carretto.

M: Uh huh. Right.

L: We put in everything all there right in the carretto. Donkey carretto.

M: Uh huh.

L: When we

M: What did you take? Do you remember what you brought with you?

L: Huh?

M: What kind of belongings did you take with you to Palermo?

L: Well, I take my suit, you know, what I have it. good suit.

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: No. And how long did it take you to get to Palermo from Alessandria?

L: Here?

M: By carretto, no by carretto to Palermo?

L: It took about -- now let's see -- about six to seven hours.

M: Six to seven hours, uh huh.

L: See?

M: Right.

L:

M: Uh huh. Ha you ever been 4o> errmoo
LU Hu1A







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M: Have you ever been to Palermo?

L: Palermo? Oh yeah. I went in 1970.

M: No, I meant before this trip. Before you came to America. Was this your first time you

saw Palermo?

L: Yeah. Palermo.

M: Right. Well, what did you think of Palermo the first time you saw it?

L: Oh, it is beautiful. Went to see

Santa, Santa Rosalia,

M: Right.

L: forever, made no difference



M: Yeah.

L: One right here in Tampa my father then offered to pick me up


M:

L: And I tell him that Papa and he say


M: 4Qu got a job in the cigar factory you told me before. Were you involved in the 1910 strike
Viecc~-v?-/6(/l a 0i il re/,
L: 1= o?

M: There was a strike in 1910.

L: Oh yeah.

M: Could you tell me about the strike?

L: I was the for seven months.

M: Seven Months.

L:

M: Uh huh. Tell me all about it.

L: Well, you know what happened when

That's what happened. In order to work, they obtained notes for a benefit to tell the truth

So we held the







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M:

L:

M: I got it. Np don't do that. J'e got it.
/VineTeen-iV nhred T d a en
Okay. 1TO strike. Tell me all about it.
//I-;C /7e -h a -; {rcj a, A 1 4 e n ,
L: t1W. Well there was a strike, there was a strike, you know. We suffered the consequence.

We suffered consequences. So when came along the

the benefit was They

have about the seven alright

Normally they accept the cigar the3

have yet to make cause it is

eight-five a day.

M: Eighty-five a day?

L: Making cigars

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Oh.

L: Vast difference. I for the money and I was fast and


M: Did you ever here a....

L:

M: Did Palatinto ever come to town?

L: Palatinto?

M: Lorenzo Palentinto?

L: I remember the Palatinto Palatinto as a professional pitcher.

I don't remember when was killed. He came over from

Santo Stephano and was teacher Santo Stephano but you know of those people who were there

the high people, the highest people, I'll tell you the truth, well, they liked Palatinto

because

the grain and the ,I bet he was some

loaf of bread, Palatinto






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M: Uh huh.

L: I remember in Robert!



L:

M: You were telling me about Palatinto, that he was a great teacher in the old country.

L: Huh?

M: Palatinto. Well, when he came to Tampa...

L: Palatinto.

M: ...was __in Tampa?

L: Was he in Tampa

M: Uh huh.

L:

M:(lWere many Italians in Tampa from

L: I know that he was a good friend of

live with him in his home. He was a year in my home away and

Then went back to Santo Stephano. He was Now what

happened in Santo Stepano, they killed him

.a__nd I know that they are asking about him

Palatinto a and what happened, but that's specifically all the

government, the Italian government

and I can't understand Santo Stephano

They brought him, they Shoot him and

M:

L: Yes.

M: You still have that

L: And the government divulged, the government five pounds

because go to Palermo. So they tell him he's a good friend. They

don't know.

M: Uh huh.






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L: but they must not get it from and Palatint


M: You think you still have that letter from your Aunt?

L: Huh?

M: You think you still have that letter from your aunt?

L: Oh, no.

M: Well, what was the reaction....

L: I can, I can long time ago.

M: Well, what was the reaction in Tampa when they found out that Palatinto

L: Well, they didn't do anything in Tampa

just as a

M: You belonged here?

L: No.

M: Were you a saMi? ocials ,

L: Never.

M: Never? Why not?

L: You know why?
|Lo
M: No. .l the boys a committee, committee

and it was assigned

M:

L: Ninth Avenue and there was the life that belong to the group

and one day this socialist, they sent a letter to the organization

and the men a about soc-ialima.

M:

L:

M:

L:

M: Why not?

L: Well, it's against the government.

M: But it's..,,






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L: The socialist You know what is a socialist?

M: No.

L: You don't know?

M: Well, no, I'd be interested in hearing what you....

L:

M: By force and by

L:

M: But I'm confused now. If Palatinto was well liked by the Italians and yet Palatinto was a

socialist, if he was a socialist why did people love him?

L: rich people

M: The rich people, huh?

L: that's why he's a socialist,

socialist is for him, for his people.

M: Uh:huh. Were many Italians....

L: through the farm and so on

because he doesn't have the for the grain, for the _____

for the fruit. All of them, no

M: Right.

L:

M: In Trnmpo were many Italians socialists?

L:

M: Well, you know.

L:

M: Okay.

L: They won't belong now.

M: And it was...

L:

M: ...Mr. Leto.

L: people, and good Italian.

M: Uh huh,







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L: member of the town club and...

M: How about....

L:

M: How aboutAlifonso Camilio, remember him?

L: Oh, Alfonso Camilio, he was different.

M: What was the difference?

L: He was anarchy.

M: Anarchy? Oh, my.

L:

M: Was he any relation to Francesca Camilio?

L:

M: No what....

L: Anarchy.

M: What was that?

L:

M: What did most of the Italians think of him?

L: Let us say....

M: Right.

L:

M: What about the Cubans and the Spaniards, uV&Pe many of them socialists?

L: The Cubans?

M: Cubans in Tampa, Cubans and Spaniards. Cuban.

L: Well, Idon't know. What happened-now, you mean? Or

M: No, no. Back then, back then.

L: Listen to me. with this thing, you know. He is dead a long time,

you know, because...

M: Oh, that's okay.

L: ...I can write a book. I can go to hell and the

will be there.

SM: UIh huh.






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L: But if you want I could have a book but I

M: Uh huh.

L: I arrived one in 1912 when _the Club, the Italian

Club.

M: What year was this again, 19--....

L: It was, I think, I think nineteen years old.

M: Uh huh.

L: And I make application for the Italian Club then there is two more i: ,They

left from all the young university to stay

there was a and one day he call me up to be the secretary

and we got arrest him and six months that they put him up there

so we were coming home.

M: Es mi casa. Su casa.

L:

M:

L: is for nineteen. All six. Listen to me. Now I give you six in

1924. Eighteen years. But when I went to

there were I held a to the city president. He

was the president. There was a president, there was a


M: Uh huh. ,. ; / ;

L: Then it is 1902. 1904 was president



L: Yes, the He was the second president. 1-902 to 1906.

M: Uh huh.

L: and in 1906 then

was president a ten year streak.

M: Uh huh.

L: I was acting in the Italian club

and the Cuban Club,






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M: What kind of things would you do now?

L: We

M: What, you mean

L: We teach one another benefit benefit



M: Uh huh.

L: That was in, in everything, everything we give to members. We

M: Uh huh.

L: We would give the benefit for the doctor, for the

hospital. always some benefit

Let's see. The Club.

M: Uh huh.

L: Was organized in 188).

M: 1884. -

L: .In 1892 the Club organized it was a

M: Uh huh.

L: It is a ,He was the bookkeeper. He was interviewed for


M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Uh huh. Yeah.

L: You want to go there?

M: Right.

L: Your son, daughter, want to see her, too?

M: Uh huh. Yeah.

L:

M: Yeah, right. You were a, you made cigars how long?

L: Yes.

M: You made cigars from 19Q5 until when?






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L: Anyway, the

M: Uh huh.

L: And that's

M: We're in Spanish.

L: Juan Filaramon

M: Uh huh.

L: And Italiano

Italiano Italiano and Yvon was a member,

was member from her the Italian club too then. It had about fifty or sixty members.

M: Uh huh.

L: They organized the Italian Club with the same benefits as That's

what happens when you really Then next started the Cuban Club.

Then Estudiano. Estudiano was a difference.
Estudiano from Havana, Cuba. The

Cuban. Then very late the organization of Centro Estudiano against the


M: Uh huh.

L: Never gets permitted.

M: Right, yeah, uh huh.

L:

M: I've been curious about a question about the Italian folks. Why, why was there a need for

the Sons of Italy in 1924?

L: Let me tell you something about that. In

some of these in 1923 -i icy I rcrpOfOrTc /,//'

M: Who were the founders?

L: FOhU r5"? C5/I/I III/II//

M: Uh huh.

L: Carlo Pizza,

M: Carlo Pizza.






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L: Alesse Alesse

Mt. Alesse

L:

M:

L: And so many other people The way to

organizae the Let me tell you why.

M: Uh huh.

L: We organized the Sons of Italy in Tampa and _in New York corres-

ponding over the Americano in Tampa.

M: Uh huh.

L: What could they do, yeah? They are all going to have in Tampa
In other words, I took a pot over there

I go hunting. And every night again.

M: Uh huh.

L: They show us a sign

Let's see, I have it in here.

M:

L:

M:

What happened? But was there a need for it?

L: Not for the

M: Uh huh.

L: The

M: Uh huh.

L: that's true_ It was the

same then, then there is a today from an organization

from Georgia.

M: Uh huh.

L: You remember?

M; Uh huh.






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L:

M: Uh huh.

L: But there never was that and your deal with Pizza but

I

M: Why?

L: To pay benefit.

M: Oh.

L: To remember this. \/O
find the club. find the club or this benefit. You belong, I belong,

they belong. That's the benefits.

M: Uh huh.

L: You=thnq yugTrot who created the Sons of Italy.
the Italian
with all 1i people who are very astute

M: Uh huh.

L: Cause if everybody here know what they are doing over there

in New York

M: Uh huh.

L: Italy, what I do in manj

cases, many cases and for fun and we gave fund relief benefits to the men in town.

M: Uh huh.

L:' And that's enough today.

M:

L: Now then, let me tell you something. We're under the and

our son

M: Uh huh.

L: To at a distance and over these meetings.

Not only here in Tampa,

call him and they approve it. I remember when they find here in Tampa



M: Uh huh.






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L: Let's see, what I say before?

M: What, what was the feeling of the people at the Italian Club, did they oppose....

L: I want to finish this

M: Okay, then.

L: I don't want to get the confuse it any. When we asked him up to form the

Florida there we crossed a very fine line



M: Uh huh.

L: We had learned to yet. We organized

M: Uh huh.

L: In Tampa, three.

M: You

L:

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Uh huh.

L: We organized at home a lot. Then we have

M: Uh huh.

L: A similar because a in Tampa.

club, not

M: Uh huh and that's....

L: All right, when we left

convinced...

M: Uh huh.

L: ...convented for to

M: Uh huh.

L: And the children come here
Now we were independent.



M: Uh huh.






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L: Then we organized so many more

M: Uh huh.

L: It was a little

We had about fourteen

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Right.

L:

M:

L: I am not condemning them. Club...

M: Uh huh.

L: ...in Tampa,

M: The organization that you mentioned

L:

M: What did that do all these years? What function did it have?

L: Listen to me, you've got to be

M: Why?

L: When we organized

was in 1817

M:

L:

M: Uh huh. Yeah.

L: Is it right they went down to remember the

Italian, talian.

M: Uh huh.

L: It goes to the Italian Club, I guess because

M: Uh huh.

L: If you want to know why the Italian Club was here

M:

L: I give you the rest if you want.







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M:

L: Of course, I follow you and then the hell with it.

M: Okay. Maybe I can come back tomorrow. Are you going to be here tomorrow morning?

L: Tomorrow, no. Tomorrow go to the lunch.

M: Okay. How about....

L:

M: Right.

L: they're taking me home.

M: How about tomorrow morning, can you tomorrow morning.

L: No, that is

M: Oh, you are going to go to lunch tomorrow morning.

L: Yes, I am going to do this tomorrow morning.

M: Yeah.

L:

M: Okay.

M: One question I've always been curious about. Did you know anyone, any of the old timers

who worked at St. Cloud?

L: At the

M: At St. Cloud?

L: Oh, gee. This was one.

M: Cacciatore.

L: He was...

M: Cacciatore.

L: ...

M: Giovanni Cacciatore?

L: Cacciatore.

M: Was this person....

L: Giovanni Cacciaore.

M: What did he have....

L: Verlita and oh, some one, I don't....






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M: What did your father-in-law tell you about ?

L: Huh?

M: What did your father-in-law, Mr. Cacciatore, tell you about, about St., CJ(o- __

L:

M: He what?

L: He was away before...

M: Oh, before you were married?

L: ...

M: Yeah, yeah. What are some of the stories you heard?

L: He was, he was alone with my wife, then he pass away and

went to Santo Stephano

M: What are some of the stories, maybe, you heard from your wife or from the old timers about

St. Cloud? What was it like there?

L:

M: No, about St. Cloud.

L: St. Cloud?

M: About the Italians who worked there.

L: Well, they all came with

people come Florida Santo Stephano.

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: What did they do there?

L: They're from St. Cloud. I don't know how they're from St. Cloud in a way

the only job they had was in St. Cloud they farm...

M:

L: and the sugar cane sugar cane.

M: Sugar cane, uh huh.

L: _______ one dollars a day.

M: A dollar a day.

L: they do other things






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L: come here to Santo Stephano. Then they St. Cloud to come

here, they farm, when they were

they find a job and farming

They find a job in all that where there's some money to

M:

L: There is a eiioy-two, eighty-three, eight-four long

time the to Santo Stephano.

M: Uh huh.

L: They come from Alessandria de la Roccia, the majority is in Tampa,

Santo Stephano, Allesandria de la Roccia.n _____________i Palermo,

Nepolitani....

M:

L: people here.

M: Right, right.

L: Here in Tampa.

M: Did you ever travel to St. Cloud?

L: Huh?

M: Did you ever do any work in Sti Cloud?

L: St. Cloud?

M: You. No, no.

L: No.

M: Right. Uh huh.

L: No.

M: Okay.

I would, also you....

L: _________ n1.cn ^ ^

M: Right, you, you, we were talking a long time ago about the 9TO strike.

L: Nineteen?

M: The 1910 labor strike.

L:






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M: How about the 1920 strike?

L: Twenty?

M: Were you also working cigars then?

L: Yeah, I quite/ | ,1.

M: What happened in 1919-1920 in the cigar industry?

L: Oh, same thing happened in 1910,

M: Could you tell me about it?

L: Yes, _.._ the class of cigar-maker.

M: Uh huh.

L: You know. The/requested from Tampa Bay the material

M: Uh huh.

L: And the-e was one that suffered the consequence.

M: What happened.

L: I was working with him on _Espanol.

M: Espanol.

L: Working for them as inspector.

M: Uh huh.

L: I had a good job over there and we every time they

used to have it. It's still not there.

M: Uh huh

L: company company __

it was the same thing as to us.

M: Uh huh.

L: And because, they say all matter.

M:

L:

M: Uh huh.

L: Why you asking what Ue uir^-on request

and they make a list to improve it, material, including material

to give a and I forant was qn rallPi







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L:

M: What does that mean?

L: Company, members.

M: Uh huh,

L: We called them

M: Okay, okay.

L: Called by name, the list, to to

improve it with

M:

L: Department.

M: Uh huh.

L: Was a shame, no power, no paper, nothing there and

M:

L: That right to improve ,that cause it was a shame.

M: Uh huh.

L: For emergencies in principal and what happened?

M: What happened?

L:

M: Who or the company?

L: fired.

M: Fired.

L: He was fired because they have a....

M:

L: He was fired with what they come to suggest this, so and so



M:

L: With them out of the jobs place

M:

L:






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M: Was this....

L: Well then,

M:

L:

M: Uh huh.

L: To request to strike strike

because something is wrong that they _ow!



M: Uh huh.

L: The requests were long to him and the big .I don't want the

anymore

M: Why not?

L: No.

M: Why?

L: No, no, no.

M: Why not?

L: Well I have to say, let me tell you something then. I was a member of the Italian Club or

the

M: Uh huh.

L: Camilio.

M: Uh huh.

L: And in Camilio you had four ___ and to

checking out the building, to checking out for the _ana

the this funny fellow here in _that's

using his family, no family no .What happened?
He was requested from

to stand about six months.

M: Uh huh.

L: To see whether we could benefit or not.

M: Uh huh.






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L: ______to do everything l ior

M: Uh huh.

L: all right the system offered


M: Uh huh.

L: six months six months. Other time I organized a

a moving picture show.

M: Moving picture show.

L: For the Cubans and the Italians. I took a part of that, too.

M: Uh huh.

L: In six months I took a part of that too.

M: Uh huh.

L: for the children a gentleman who was

in charge over there.

M: Uh huh.

L: And I request of him

M: Uh huh.

L: When the I stay six months. Six months I found out about the

director. I gave you the part completely. I found the net profits forty percent.

Net profits forty percent.

M: Uh huh.

L: Okay, now

Winter Park.

M: Uh huh.

L: I went to see him.

M: Uh huh.

L: He say I want to be able to speak if you give me a job

out to lunch, with one you've got to provide,

you've got to sell in order to make

M: Uh huh







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L: and we do the

best Why? I thought that there was one who was going to

collect from the

M: Uh huh.

L: It wouldn't come up.

M: Uh huh.

L: And they lose money.

M: Uh huh.

L: Well

M: Uh huh.

L: About half a and the



M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Uh huh.

L: My brother-in-law took over there

committee.

M: Uh huh.

L: I will admit and I want to

visit there.

M: Uh huh.

L:


one of the group, the group



M: Uh huh.

L:

And I want you to know

M: Uh huh.






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L: And there was map

M: Uh huh.

L: To see




M: Uh huh.

L: I gave her one. What happened? I lost

everything. Do you know

to the United States?

M: No.

L: The rest of the country. The

M: Uh huh.

L: it was too

good. Because today now

what's in

M: Uh huh.

L:

He's a man over there, his name is Juan.

Juan. We work over there at the Italian Club.

M: Uh huh.

L: at the Italian Club, to there. You are that man. He say,

you? Why? He tell them the truth. What?

What? He tell them the truth. What purpose?



M: Uh huh.

L: Italian plus the Americans
1925 commission



M: Uh huh.

L: a long time aqo






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M: Uh huh.

L: Believe it or not the

day had turned so black that I met this person

M: Well.

L:

M: Uh huh.

L:



M: Uh huh.

L: _for the Cubans

M: Uh huh.

L: That's all impossible

M: Uh huh.

L: man.

M: Uh huh.

L: That year 1926. At the end of December when



M: Uh huh.

L: a man seven or six year

M: Listen, why don't we tell your

daughter, okay

L: Well, no, after you I could offer you some coffee now.

M: Okay.

L: Daughter lives in Pompano. If you want

When?

M: Wednesday morning, okay?

L:

M:






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M: Today is July 2 and I'm talking to Mr. Paul Llongo today and Mr. Llongo, you were just

showing me some old newspapers and I'd be curious, were there ever many Italian newspapers

in Tampa? We know about the Spanish newspapers

L:

M: Were there any Italian newspapers, though?

L: No, nothing.

M: Why did most Italians learn Spanish?

L: Because all the Italian people were cigar maker.

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Uh huh.

L: Were Spanish.

M: Right.

L: And Italian.

M: Uh huh.

L: was...

M:

L: ...no, no. He was Italian.

M: Forno?

L: Forno.

M: Forno. Tell me about the Forno Factory.

right.

L: Well, I don't know. I tell you the truth; I don't think they were there. I workedwih t

M: There?

L: I worked with him .I worked with friends
h;r)efe/1 hqA Ilc a k ei'' f.
I had to work over there in 1Z. .

M: N 8.

e: t18. I wJQas o a-h- h"crie,
AndAhappened to have a hip pocket






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M: You happened to what, now?

L:

M: I see

L: on the Columbia and

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Right, right.

L: I put all that in the door and I watched everybody come to

in the

I did, I

M: Uh huh.

L: And my to

M: Uh huh.

L: And then we pulled up and said

M: Uh huh.

L: With a benefit to the old people who had suffered the consequences for the

M: Uh huh.
oft
L: he was Englishman

English and well, long time ago in

Tampa.

M: Uh huh.

L: We participated too, then. In the parade and in with the

they brought from Italy

marmo, marmo.

M:

L: Marmo.

M: Marme?

L: No. Mussolini and he was afrai

you know, against Mussolini and
SCuba






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L: the one who asked should be


M: Around uh huh.

L:

M: Was he a Sicillian?

L:

M: Was he a Sicillian? Italiano? Was he Italiano? a Sicilli

L: I don't know if he was Sicillian. I think he was Sicillian. Yk }n It- vi/ 11 iP.

M: Right.

L: it was for the cigar maker

M: Would you say most of the cplioyee_ were Italian?

L: Huh?

M: Most of his employees, cigar makers,were Italian?

L: Italian, yes.

M: Uh huh.

L: He had him some Cubans,

M: Right.

L:

M: Right.

L:

M: Uh huh.

L: then

Filaramo, Filaramo Italian Club



M: Right.

L: He was he was a member of

to be you know what it is to be

M: Nd.

L: men selected the all the colors to put in the box -- clear and black
sele, r r-
sffTyU, cigar selector.






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L: Uh huh.

L: and I have a good


M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Uh huh.

L: You should be in the from the letter when it was the time 190T# 105, Yoi

have a funeral home. You have a meeting. The Italian Club always had a
already.

M: Uh IM, I

L: You

M: Uh huh.

L: And right on the middle was/'Spanish Ceme I / Cutb-

M: Uh huh.
O/)c
L: Now -tt then Oe man passed away.

M: Uh huh.

L: the funeral home passed away

M: Uh huh.

L: find a job insurance. I was collecting insurance
from her, it was a weekly thing.

M: Uh huh. JJo\\ V- wee y eAS cL So on.

L: That day it was fx /'//// /^_^ // / /-/ '// //y
e/ // / or / -I if f H /I
M: Uh huh.

L: That was different.

M: Uh huh.

L: eliminating weekly premiums the people

they urge him to sell 1,000; 2,000; 5,000; 10,000 __

M: Uh huh.

L: insurance a,-ple to live i.






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M: Uh huh.

L: And now that's what happened. I went to collect the rent and I asked


M: Yeah. I'll get, I'll get some other questions.

L: why well

a number of years, about eight years

and it was appreciate

M: Uh huh.

L: All right, Mr. Llongo.

M: Uh huh.

L: photographs of the Italian Club.

M: Uh huh.

L: Mr. Anthony di Borno was the president.

M: Uh huh.

L: I -aTs him up to my car. I took it to, to to the houseman.

M: Uh huh.

L: And I presented to him...

M: Uh huh.

L: the gentlemen Italian Club,

M: Uh huh.

L: And I saw him to and in one direction and then he

asked for directions and I gave advice to her,

M: Uh huh.

L: In to sign, to release or something and



M: Uh huh.

L: Paul Llongo and the Italian Club. Now let me tell you something else about

Filaramo. The first Filaramo was was

M: Uh huh.

L: They have, they was leaving small house that was then house was tremendous. It really was







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L:

M: Uh huh.

L: As a personally him. Filaramo,

you know, Italian Club and a really good job

I turn away to a house on a

to you to give you everything.

M: Uh huh.

L: I stay here. Will die here.

M: Uh huh.L:Anyway I found something about...

M: Burns and....

L: ...Filaramo, Filaramo

M: Right.

L: And everything.

M: You had, you had mentioned when we were talking earlier about the .adrone.

L: What?

M: The padrone? Padrone. Padrone. The boss.

L: The boss of the what?

M: Well, that's what I was wondering.

L: No, no, no, no. Ppl_

M: Was there a padrone to brin from Santo Stefano and Alessandria de la Roccia to Tampa?

L: Yeah.

M: There was a padrone? There was not.

L: A what?

M: Padrone. P-A-D-R-O-N-E. Padrone.

L: I don't know.

M: To be, to'be...

L: I don't

M: You know, padre, fathers.

L: Fathers?






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M: Padrone, boss.

L: Yes, for what?

M: Labor. Lavoratore.

L: Padrone.

M: Padrone, si. Was there a boss in the old country.

L:

M: In Sicillia?

L: Well, there was a boss in cigar maker

M: Well, was there a labor agent to recruit

L: I'll tell you that when I was left I was cigar maker.

M: Uh huh.

L: In '31 when my and my and I went a

M: Sure.

L: And I wanted to see these people. There were

M: si.

L: good cigar maker.

M: Right.

L: Well, what they mean a __ from a

M: Uh huh.

L: To make a cigar.

M: Right.

L: Let's go on.

M: Okay.

L: children

M: That's okay. I

L: with the Italian colonies in Tampa -_--___ was the

first, nucleus, nudes, I say nucleus.

M: Uh huh.

L: from Santo Stefano.

M: Uh huh.






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L: They let one their kind of in Allesandria de la Roccia


M: Well, once you arrived....

L: I, I carry it here.

M: One thing I've always been curious, when you arrived in Tampa and your( Pce/Ca i

arrived, how did you get along with the Spaniards and Cubans?

L: Huh?

M: How did the Italians get along?

L: I was, I was good friends with all of us.

M: Uh huh.

L: A good friend was a very nice friend to you because the Italians, Santo Stefano

the Italian until '33, '34, '45, '46, '49, and '50. And when you would

with the Spanish people do the fact that we had some for

fight.

M: Uh huh.

L: A IC/ P .[ organization.

M: Right.

L: Club and Club and then the Club.

M: Uh huh.

L: And you can understand the

M: Uh huh.

L: industry.

M: Uh huh.

L: with the benefits we pay/-Pr tCE- ekwhe irs

M: Uh huh.

L: Out of I remember the one time for ta:

and for us there are and we went to say, Gentlemen, one of this
to_ _e _ _r and he went.

M: Uh huh.






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L: And went over there and he was full president of an Italian Club

and the to me Herman Fernando Reyo was his hame.

M: Uh huh.

L: We were close friends, then. So then the community missed the

Mr. Paul -IAung, president of the Italian Club.

You the president of Itlaian Club? Happy for the

M:

L:

M: Now some people have said that the Spaniards initially opposed the Italians in the cigar

industry.

L: Opposed us? Opposed the Italians?

M: In the early years. In thel890s, early 1900s.

L: Oh, no.

M: No?

L: No, no. Well, you know

M: Uh huh.

L: And all that. And all the Italian people were coming to Tampa then were making cigars

or they cigars.

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Uh huh.

Lz Course I thought you would ask me I make a cigar, my son, may want to help me too, then.

M: Uh huh.

L: in family or two

M: Right.

L: When I quit making cigar you know what happened.

M: Uh huh.

L: That they come to you with a gentleman.

M: Right. In the 1920s during Prohibition, was Ybor City a wide-open town, a wet

tnwn? Cnuld voii by a drink almost anywhere in Ybor City?






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L: No.

M.'r During Prohibition?

L: Oh, no, no, no.

M: No?

L: No, no. NO. I told you that wasn't

M: Right.

L: Everybody come here to

M: Right, right. How about Bolita?

L: Bolita? Well, Bolita, now there was, everybody wants to play Bolita.

M: Who, who controlled Bolita? k/hI- g roup

L: some man, some man...

M: Uh huh.

L: ...have, some man very....

M: Did he

L: Bolita run

M: Didfe know Charlie Wall?

L:

M: Did /M know Charlie Wall?

L: Charlie Wall

M: Yeah.

L:

M: Uh huh.

L: Who has control.

M:

L: He was controller. You know everything. You asking me stuff and you know it. I believe

you done need somebody else

M: Let me talk to you about politics then.

L: Politics?

M: Yeah. Why, why did it take so long for the Latins to get in politics?






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L: Well, now they started _from the politics and the

Italian the politics had'too many of them as Italians.

M: Nuccio..

L: Nuccio...

M: ...e Greco.

L: ... e Greco. Little Italy.

M: Uh huh.

L: After they were

M: Tell me, tell me what you know about Nick Nuccio sindaco. Nick Nuccio.

L: Sindaco. That's the mayor.

M: Si.

L: Mayor. I of him.

M: Uh huh.
*' -- -*- -"** "-- -- -- -- -^-----.- nr __ jui -n. -.inI. I11111-11 *II--- ---- -- ^ /
L: -lived-i-Griadd dd .... Lhe ther and the mayor in Tampa before thy that'sk what -t is.

rC3mt-a. street, str'ge and grew everything Nick Nuccio was there.

That's money. After -humar--4hts, know what he do?

M: What?

L: They want _now they give it to _____ Enormous.:

_So C other place. I heard somebody go through big ceremony. Such

a man that he was

M: What....

L:

M: But....

L: Why he quit...

M: Do you remember....

L: ...being major for the governor's seat.

M: Right, right.

L: That's the way it was planned. It was time and so....

M: Do you remember some of the elections in the 1930s? How about the election in 1934 and

1936?






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L: What's that?

M: Election. This is, you know, Claude Pepper and Clark Trammel? Lot of people have told me

that that election was stolen from Pepper in Ybor City and West Tampa. Ballot stuffing?

L: Oh, something happened and...

M: Uh huh.

L: ...in those days half the Spanish people and Cuban people were Rebuplicans and

the vote would leave it to them.

M: Uh huh.

L:

M: Right.

L: They had luck. .. _______miscalculating, the box, empty all the

votes, take them away to check them out. it was a hundred percent.

M: Uh huh.

L: In those days they were having/ a difference.

M: How would they do it in those days, who were....

L: Politics was very 647 s ClTea ,A

M: Who, who was in charge of this?

L: What?

M: Well, who was fixing these' elections? Who was stuffing the ballot box?

L: What?

M: Who was, who was rigging the elections? Stuffing the ballot box?

L: Nobody stuffed it.

M: Uh huh.

L: Nobody stuffed it. That

M: Right.

L: Nobody stuffed it.

M: Did they ever ask you...

L: ...he asked them if the way things run that happened, you know. And I remember this.

M: Uh huh.






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L: happened with the Cuban candidate that dominates...

M: Uh huh.

L: All their It's not very important we attend politics
party candidate



M: Uh huh.

L: There was two mayor.

M: Uh huh. Right.

L: which we claim is

from the newspaper

M: Uh huh.

L: To which none of the to be

M: Was it Wj__e____

L: We protest
ql/ er 'K 40n 1/s they called a meeting. Next time no

Ybor City in Tampa and then they left; they went

to they say, Well, it could

any place, any place.

M: Uh huh.

L: And not the in other words they

Nick Nuccio, candidate.

M: Uh huh. Right.

L: They did it often the _mafia and the

American in this place continues through.

M: Uh huh.

L: Continues through.

M: Well, what do you think about it? Was there a mafia in Tampa? Is there a mafia?

L: I/h CVu
6^---~----
M: What about in....

L: mafia?






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M: Well, that's why I'm asking.
L: The mafia was originally in Sicilly.

M: Yeah, was....

L: town and where it started the town and because it is the east

mafia.

M: Why? Why did they have a mafia?

L: Because as a friend from they pretend to
wife and to be used for them.

M: Uh huh.

L: And there was a in they

organized the mafia.

M: Uh huh.

L: And no way to know who isn't W e ask him to

Cicero.

M: Cicero.

L: in Cicero.

M: ,1, j. O the Sicillian CfpL,_____

L: .i for in f ,)_ _._-ll.' beforee he

M: Uh huh.

L: This is

M: Do you remember....

L:

M: As a young boy, do you remember the mafia? Was there a mafia in Sicilly? In Sicillia,

when you were growing up?

L: No, I never !:__to.no mafia, that I
M:

L: I cannot say q N'`i because I was young

was run by the mafia and all the Mussolini dirmilOed sC mfcr y > {kK C-,-.. t)c. ?L&,
i 1 i,






Ybor 31AB
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M: Right.

L: bad people, criminal people, __

mafia.

M: Uh huh.

L: They clean up and they do a good job. One thing Mussolini did was, 'a or-'J o

M: Uh huh.

L: Cause he would stay with the United State and stay with the England and France


M: How did, when Mussolini took over in Italy in the 1920s, how did Tampans such as yourself

initially see him in the early days? What was your image of Mussolini, your opinion of

Mussolini..<

L: Mussolini?

M: ...intheearly days before he became., a traitor, as you said.

L: World War, the first World War...

M: Uh huh.

L: ...and they Mussolini

M: Right.

L: He was socialist, Mussolini, a socialist and they took powers that protected

The monarchy, what do you call the monarchy -- the reign --

M: Uh huh. The reign, si.

L: The reign. And the soldier independent.

M: Uh huh.

L: This military. In

M: Right.

L: At the end, Mussolini, I don't know if you

remember Mussolini Mussolini

See, he gained Tripoli, world-dominating

Tripoli _and so, dominated with the war, I say with

the war, he conquered Africa,







Ybor 31AB
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L: Then he lost everything.

M: Uh huh.

L: He lost everything to get into war, the same World War in with the Germans. By the

end Mussolini was -- ha -- they hang him in the street,

M: Uh huh.

L: You know what happen call him one night...

M: Uh huh.

L: ...at this house.

M: No.

L: Call him, you go out from now on.

M: Uh huh.

L: They took him away

M: Uh huh.

L: That's the way they took him away, Mussolini, to go up Not a,

later on, I don't know how the gentlemen find out to liberate.

M: Uh huh.

L: Because there was, most of them

M: Right.

L: And you have him again.

M: Well, Mr. Li, I'd like to thank you, thank you again for talking, okay? Mio grazi.

L: I'll see you some other time.





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