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HILLS CO 19A

SUBJECT: Paul Longo
702 Alfred St.
Tampa, FL

INTERVIEWER: Gary Mormino

DATE: March 13, 1980

M: My name is Gary Mormino, and I'm talking to Paul Longo.

L: Right.

M: Mr. Longo, what are, what are, would you tell me something about the...the old country

"that you knew. What...first of all what year were you born?

L: I was born

M: J? What year?

L: L ,\J O e7 V 9 /t V- Let me tell you something, k


M: Okay.

L: My mother S o0r she had six...six sisters.

M: Six sisters?

L: Over there. She was in the States. And I born there because she wanted to visit

her sisters, fin 4 ri c r lause my family's from i/

So I want over there to...my mother went over there to see, to visit her sisters,

jI 2jy'\ Then she was in the States.

M: That's- ll ht, that's s --rght.

L: 0J t.. 6 p A,- f$ i'

M: Oh, you were raised in /4/ES'r.5c i" Oh, okay. What year was that? What

year were you born?

L: Huh?

M: What year were you born?

L: 1889.









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M: 1889. Boy, that's...

L: June 29.

M: ...few years ago.

L: I'll be ninety-one next June.

M: Ninety-one next June. Are you the oldest Italian in Tampa?

L: Huh?

M: Are you the oldest Italian-Ame bean in Tampa?

L: Oh, I don't know. They call me patr'C

M: Right, right.

L: T\ Z,,'',

M: Because you're old, huh?

L: When you get there, they call you patri'ercL

M: Right, Right. What.. .what did your father do in the old country?7nSicily.

L: Huh?

M: What did your father do? What kind of work?

L: The work?

M: Yeah, your father? _padre.

L: Yeah, my father was a mason?

M: A mason.

L: Was a mason, yeah.

M: dr ^ a%-L ,

L: He came to t h ( 6 C 'r/ .f nineteen...no eighteen Eighteen nintey-three.

M: Your father came to...

L: I come over here in 1894.

M: To America? ,

L: In 1894, I come here, My father come with my sisters, I /









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Cause y ffemy, cause iy--family... My father...
M: Um...hmm.
L: They come here from _t__,_! 1 They left--, $,rft/^ 4 v C -t/c


M: Alfonso ?
L: Huh? -
M: Alfonso _
L: ___ _________.

M: Yeah, what was his first name, do you remember?
L: Well, that's Cd f f-after--th-t-. Of course, a fried of my father.

in .^Mrd j^
M: Um...hmmm.
L: See, then { A IL i'fter then. ..5 t '/ -
It's a big A;e/ They cross from 6t'"J/,'j J'. /, Ccre L. HIs
wife had a baby.
M: Um....hmm.
L: She came -QC40 ,!L j q 0 0 '"baby. My mother was so a fifth,
one dollar of a 1f e 5/( .Can you imagine that? The reason why
they're so cqse ( ( They come here before.
M: Right.
L: es //!-el ye-t member
0 the /f)io t 144 everytime That's what happened, you know. They

/rOT. _____ my father / C e to Tampa. Have aAchance in your profession,
-t l
and so on. As a mason. Well ,Ae provided with all the ..passport and all that


M: Right.









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L: And then he come to with my daughter...my sisters.

M: Okay, let me interrupt just for a second here. Did they come to Tampa, or did you

have some relatives that first come to...

L: No...no... Tampa, they-stayed Tampa.

M: Did you know anyone who went to the... sugar...St. Cloud?

L: No, that is -from...that is fTe4i-another n,'/ '/a.

M: That's another __'_j____.

L: All of this was before the...

M: Right. Do you know anything about that?

"L: I 'v J' I//, ('// //I J II/" / yrv if you want to.

M: Yes, I'd like to see that.

L: _____ the Italian language?

M: Ah, poco, poco.
L: I will loan this book.

M: Oh, ?

L: Yes.
M: I would like to read it.
L: .Y,, i'b"5 iO6 )4C ^*'K
M: I would like to read that. Right. What do you know of the...

L: It's all of the...it's all of the Italian language, you know.

M: Right.

L: That's the first-- 5 /1'-1 the first people who come here. IN Florida. The

same time thy nmPe over hpre. They are a poor people. They got a o-r

and everything.

M: Right.

L: TPe oa/ / / t /. i tvrher The people over there-p New York, when









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fI\ty F'o'-F New York, thee-s poor people t n,

I don't know...maybe was looking for...people to give them some kind of a job.

M: What... )

L: And they kh incld and-t- ---people, they sent to 1 -

ejo ^5t to give them a job.

M: Um...hmm. t r re t ,r

L: Yeah, a job. Sethere was four-men of the _ar r____

J
M: Sugar...

L: Sugar C'O Sugar c

M: Sugar cane-

L: Can.e

M: Can&.

L: Yeah, sugar can.- CCd
Lk
M: Right, sugar cane Okay, right. "' r' .

L: Yeah, and they found them a job over there. With- he V //.r With the
r i eri eiq vikAryl/ tA e
4 d 0llr .'/Othey -apply for -wek. Made the meals, wash the clothes, and that was
far 5 i 6 Iy o r 1!O -v
quite away from _-was the- r -whatever. And

they callJpeople from nf to there. They come around and they form,

they form a colony.

M: Right.

L: This day was 1882, see, I- aoa record here. The first J (Or r bOin Tampa.

They come from,-e-&S-

M: Right.

L: They come. They had-trs 5-r/ over there. See-yo, r
And -At rfr r / r < .t '- /When they found out when the
And //rf, f/ 7 'When they found out, when they AMlt_'d









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-was- Ci r' o"' they come 6/ 7r A in Tampa. Because the-land-is
+URf-o-f' / 4 'qT C,(- 4 y SZ &d-aMi happened over there. Every-

body come here.

M: Right.

L: And then it was that the colony, the Italian colony was formed, but it, but not

so big one. But then, in time, everybody called friend, sister,, t7 A

;
M: Right. Did you ever...

L: They find a job and a place Lt farm. badoruld-t-smeadvantage...

They went to -rCk ,-paved r To walking,

_" _"/ a job.

M: Ah--did you ever hear any stories about what life was like at St. Cloud?

L: Huh?

M: What was life like at St. Cloud? Did any of the old-timers ever tell you what it

was like over there? When they were working in the Sugar cane?

L: Well, it-s o 14F / t e over there. "/> /'f over there.

M: Right.

L: Well, they poor people. With a y ,. d/ They learne-to

They make their own bread, they make their own meal, salt...

M: Right, tIght. What...your family in Sicily...you say your father was a mason. What,

what kind of house, do you remember your house in Sicily?

L: Huh?

M: Do you remember your house in Sicily? Casa? In _,_'/ s ?

L: I don't get what you're sayings..

M: What, what kind of house did you liVe in? In the old country? Your family?
he- te P.I-t 'yV. Do
L: Oh, qvt was'tmason, I -t4iik -It was, mason.









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M: Right. Right.
L: It was a big home over there. In A/4rrirO 1 c /r cr
M: Right.
H a 4d
L: -4 was mason.
M: Yeah. Describe that city as you remember it as a young boy. Was was the...
L: f 7i4A ?
M: Yeah, what was the city like?
L: Well, as far as I remember, you know. Because I was...oh...when I come to this
country, I was fourteen years old. And, went to school over there, and up to fifth
grade. T-7f- Vd' '. D h"i' V W L A1 l inTo /v//v4ic e /n J(r
M: You mean you could only go to school until fifth grade?
L: No, this-was 1 the we had.
,','* rr > ;'- with my father. It was o /____ because I was young.
He come here, and I come to Amercia him, see? He come in 44, and I come here
1A^ '
in -4.
M: Right. /
L: ft-was so in .m nof 4-dr TtAremember-mwer.
It was, as far as I remember, a big c(p,, for-a S'." ;


M: t_ ws a'"
L: It was a ('/ 071 -. It was "___'_^_ 5 people to cA i h .
But then another ( I ... they call it see.
They were Emic n tor In other words, from and
they cross. That which I remember the time was the. as, ..

let's see1 Well, 9, .-.t",-.what. I- remember when I was in school and so on.

M: Right. Right.









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L: Then I came here, -at /

M: In...in/ I was under t... .did many...many people work on farms? i' / ?

L: Oh, Mno, ^ fre c t I'" ce^ -4 j, ^. 4'' r- .

M: Right.

L: )( 1,1!1rt

M: Right. What did they grow?

L: \AtVf f i (c '') for the grai5...oh, there's so many, I can't remember.
/
M: Wheat?

L: They have grain and fibers... fr'.l.a. The grain,

,A dr !//./ olives. Olives.

M: Olives, huh?

L: They make -c-ives.

M: Right. Grapes?

L: The grape, oh, was tremendous. So many for wine.

M: Right. What did you...

L: They come from.. .--forget- haL-they eall--it Grapes...

M: What was your diet like? Did you eat well, or how did families eat?

L: jffc- 4-r .

M: Uh..huh.
YOa( krv,'/
L: Well, -hey-eat all-f that. Yeah, we had everything.

Because of my father, you know. Cause we had a job for the "house...if somebody called,

and they late. ...

M: Right.

L: tght. f /4" #r' ''e rich. X8 U Qai4 rich.

M: I showed you a picture of the...

L: L\J./ I / i ). > 'i;,we calljO 1d middle class, you know.









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M: Right, right. We just looked at...
^*pur
L: They have a...they have foe class over there.

M: Polr classes. Okay.

L: Farmer...

M: Farmer...

L: The foreman of the farmer...

M: Foreman.

L: ..control'. You have the masters...the carpenter, mason, or bricksmith, and so on.

This is number three.

M: VC 4)

L: Then the fourth. The high people.

M: The high people.

L: The high people which control.
M: r fAc MM ?

L: They treat us as a slave. There's the So high, they lose respect

for the VAA/4 people.

M: Do you remember any incidents?

L: Incidents?

M: Yeah, examples of this?

L: (laugh) I remember soI 4 /'" ".

M: Did any of these high people come to America?

L: The high people?

M: Did they come to Tampa'too?

L: No high people come to Tampa.

M: Why?

L: No. All come are middle class.
A\









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M: Uh...ha.
L: What they have in Tampa. They.-fera-___ ._____ Now U'
was atTr o/?iy in Tampa. V/4 / one. From the other ria c

f/,/ y- #0o That was Latin. Of course, we have the lawyers; end-the doctors,
Who '
Spc i, _____< --We- have jobs-her'. We have everything.
M: Um...hmm.
L: For the Italian colonies. So...
M: Right. What...I showed you a picture a while ago of the Molino, Molino C w'MJN Itl
The grain mill.

L: Molino C 111ki .
M: Right. 9
L: Molino C_ .__i_ '

M: Ah, describe that. How you remember.

L: Molino 61 "0r/-. 'L p/r/ / r:,' Thiey-haire the grain

to make flour
M: Flour, right.
!MloI I B f r g
L: Molino that's where they ______
-bsc ro ,, Ay sfl(r A,fh /'
f- / sack of grain. To 4- j/A O. -Yt-tuHy-othe-btrey- to make bread, to make

everything, so ...
M: You had to pay...
L: That's the way it was, Molino vt < .
M: Molino (1 ''/, u-dert-and. Did you have to pay taxes on it?

L: Oh, yeah, -once-aweek- b.i As far as I renber p ^ n1 w 0o, & 0
wy/1ief ^f j
Oh, let me see. It was ... I was six years old when the waf- come from b .iy.

7_ the real| -hey Theal it TrA_ -t!R / ^
on the real, what- they call it l __. / The water come from __ ,'__,_-.









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0vpr J rr^ d,.;[oh oto'
I remember my father was walking vith -A and after we make A 'beae
-ou-now-, to kept water from the...

M: 'a a d ?
L: The __ /__ d' ycl (4// cover the
water. How do you call it?
M: Aquaduct? Aquodotto?
L: Aquodotto.
M: Right. Aquodotto. r t!'-
L: Aquodotto. To make C h i /O /t A' Y h'q. Then I was about
maybe nine or ten years old. That's when FyA f "t make an Aquodotto il- '"I.
SI e
t /" Y;::''. That's because the water in /f-g' '' /" was so high, that
people went out, and--t-was water.
They have one --, i C /Q and a __to /B w;th the
atr 2 p, I F'
water- o pr; .. was six thousand people. They went out with
the .----- i_ theigh the water and so on. T h aqueduct

rt r ht (,ly I' Vf *i Lt' t "- Te remem'rerA the first water evei-
/) f"/^W/p /7! / f /', "
tee y-celebrate. The first water come to /t5"? r '

M: Right. Right.
L: 1ts a big container. They'e ___all the water. / t, He1r
< ea they divide it to the /f." dVe / / pcc'i : With
r\\cL o' ^ '

M: Right, Right.
\// ,/j 00
L: w t 6 C "'. l7 ( ". My father .o-it-
M: The...the mountains in nearby, /< ' 1' Did you, what role did the
mountains play?
L: Well, the mountains, we don't have no mountains in /: '









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L: In
L: In ,':p there mountains.

M: Right.
L: #tC'' what they call / It's different.

M: Would you, would you ever have any reason for going .,i /U M n ,Air .'-r

L:T J .I Call it C"' \I \J

M: Hill, right?

L: (fo':0n a. '/ '7 ."

M: That's in X/i/7 S ..r;, ?

L: north side, and is in the south side,

and we're the\one aeros on the other side. -ui-te away through the middle, through

the middle of ( ,d'b ':' In other words hey have the trees

have -the / .

M: Right. Would they grow citrus there? i M/ O ?

L: Everything.

M: Everything.

L: Oh, Jesus, everything.

M: Un..ha;. How far would the men... in the morning, when the men would go to work, to

work their fields, how far would they have to walk?

L: Ah-- a very long way in the morning. Oh, sometimes they go Vk /A / i .'

And they come at sunset or sun, too, see?

M: Right.

L: That's the way they work.

M: Right.

L: For t!ie-'farmers.

M: Right. We...when I talked to you a few weeks ago, we were talking about the...the

individual reAo L, f _ -









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L: : ]' \ "f//y^ <, i ,,^ A ^ / ."
""_ /r.; ,:, I ,^ '
,, > C I to o Ithliat. Not a long time, but the,r,, ild

4C'" in "t-t T(, 'w,),
M: Um..ham... '
~-L: Tb,` ,^ to m aiw a cl
L: "come over here. To make propaganda, to make a, what you call a
C(iC, /.'P^/I He( L,,{< ,
special meeting. To make a good speech. You know, a-gt'est speech. -They--as--e

professor,-oar-heve What happened, we went back to I /< ,., Hf .

And what I remember myself, he tried to get to the -good people/,- W-i _J4'_h,- .
To o-awy-wth i' r n / And-'. come to /'t..i ,t r
viC' foc Toi r c p p4V ;v' w# -
We pay -fon where they call it, we.pay group. Group, you see?

/ J, / ^ .' :./k' It n i' if/A '' I remember
"hatt he was with them / "'r' .. i ..let's see, ..",

the church / upset and he wentA-.talk to them. He -had-tk -m T/a l e
,la a speech w"ith- V. /

(c ,i /y' i p, i. That happened in 19...let-mse. .. 1911. "Ten--we, let

me tell you something, this is what + y of Ltre. /2/ /
"". /,,., od*^ /
-He, '.j V'.-'"' #' -------' '.Oncc against you, _u aillt4 $-4'1:.

They kill toe -. -brthe know. b either. know who kill So- wld I -e -__.

M: ,ifi^^,,-. v h .,lf/
L:* ly The government tried to make an /I'-'.*.,. 'I '

and sent what-is-a y'."' ";,.;xr'.- and'one member from the government.

M: Right, sure.

L: They have the...they have the-control for the tweize-x He
went to r to make- / / i


M: So they...









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L: From the government was the... /' < '- ____o_

M: M.. .hum.. .what was the...
L: And the government took away from the J fv f The officer who /,

before-that- And then the government took away. -

M: Mm.. .hum. What.. .what did the people do when they heard that ionfil o died?

L: Well..

M: Do you remember?

L: They make a e, R OI d -at's dea hegou -

M: You were not there?

"L: That's e ___ No, no, in Lf/O f . That's where the
hL: That's ..i
in the This is- I de-ftn
VA p.:,5 [>:^ h- I '. 3 f ,_ ( ,CC, I / ,__ s _! _J(
ut I til-l _--in fl ;,J'<^c. ", 1 '. Because Lhe OLlthr

people from the school went over there to see _. Aid

', .:.,: but more than 50 people go -i with him.
Singing hymns and so on.

Mj What did the uh, what did the big bosses, what did they, what did they say about

Tf hi ? The landlords?

L: Not uh, j ,i- .(.. /J J. ____.____

fr i-a. schoolroom. fre 5C' r dI' / schoolroom. He was an intelligent man,

sa-id h-ocredfer the poor people. 4/ O/,eo T )z C 'I "d To

havesome respect.

M: Right. t ,t

L: But, )A- =the9peopste-o-bhe


M: Right. Right. What were the churches likely What was the name of the church in
your town? L / A. ,, .
L: Oh... the church. -Let m-see Thatt as / -, rty









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M: (bo Fr'Ly_ you mean?

L: Once a year, you have a celebration. :'Friday.

St. Friday... friday, where they call#% St. Friday.

M: St. Friday.

L: St. Friday. _t___*r_ -- S_ .

Now, the one thing that they do...there's a ceremony, A far as I remember, So

far as I remember. The r ,/_____ what they call the C /C 14 ,

now, was q-e away en -Deember -second, I mean-en r 4 n ,: Pc

The main road, where they call that, see that's where the=-ca-= s, f-y

A, f?5 04 -from the cross. T7y A v-'n P cross L They,

all the-O including myself, went over there to pray, and so on and so on.

Then on the...

M: Were you barefoot?

L: On the f : 0 F,',/ __

Then / O' coming down. -The r r(C5e,' you know, they /' 'i

M: Yeah. ,r .. f

L: They put Tirp-teel

M: Oh, the Urn, okay, right, okay, the iun, right. 7

L: They put ifiside the urn. And they'll 4r- to the

M: To the Catholics?

L: The (fi v "'i And,, there's a ceremony when they...there's-4/ s r i-4
rfefder r5 l>f.fathers and so on. They i a uniformon.And I

teQi C-.I And a good family, my father was the

master, -,astea, of the family, so %aea everything. And one daughter was
u. to

my father s Mr. P :hre 0j. hey called Mr. P +. u __ t e ait-
hi! '}'" ,g ;'ij ___/( 'J pf, rlll i'^'l e'/i:









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?, but she had so many elothes-, All d6.thes.
M: Colors. o '5
ovr fj ^ k/
L: It beautiful. And my father p O vj 4 0 /. I put it td1j,, I-put i) o
So rf ///)r
/Ph /^' y.. _' And I went ito the church -dwTqih-hm-. o & 7
>Jxi ^'r /, *. // 1) L p


M: How about the Madonna del la Re-a.

L: The Madonna del la RQca?







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L: The Madonna del la R-eL? 1 i -tL
-)-t main festival 0o // ir: occthe Madonna del la
4-eawas a fts a way. \ /__ _______-_-_ .

Once a year / 0 c /r- i -.
,J- < ^ A V .=e s1
izfd tt Ah i _ici_ _
go;-trert-pye-a-s-a-g -
M: I rhT

L: nrt-Th-i- --- over there/ '

:T w o e I w s r i -
.. ten years old T 1-a-)ev A-I to be a /'\it (;G/o My father

was /t. i,'> i People 6o t; D/ ,:
And if / _ere they
S-o---days Xhe musicians, XtVEr song, OL C 5 -,.- /v Pi F ',
A Q., o ) i1't o3 ,-^. "T^ ^ tlTrA i^, r^,, ., 7
M: Let me. .


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L: Yeah, but the. .
M: You fiTndtha ,,som
L: Yg f& 5"" ,' i l -5 J _' ,Ipeople 4lha-t-don't want
Thats the only thi-g e -i r fn-g O -'( 7 to sell
everything,or whatever. Candy, all kinds of the candy, all kinds

of t0he business. '"S 4/ :r to sell, T7 rf5/, I5

aboutftr days. /I'cl. two days.

M: Really. When, uh, did your family go to church often?

L: Often?

M: Yes.

L: Oh yes.

M: You did?
L: Oh, sure. I 1 r Yteaso uniform
S ? ands u- -a-t-the-ter-.

(Laughter)

L: Uniforms
(Break in tape)
L: YQu know my mother was/strict _I C- -ef '4y'^ -4^- .
M: Um hmm. What was her maiden name?

L: 0y dy 0 ir; Eat in the morning until noon.

M: On Sunday, right, for Communion.

L: Yes, she told me not to eat anything. And the preacher asked her
whether-- 6 ,l, 15v i I tuS- ITa adV
-een too, then. And, uh, 7 -0 / My mother
Slis n to- Andnext was te store s-eve4-cigars

and cigarettes 50 0A Ad biscuits A*F-- bought one, \ gave
it to I Cd; "Here, eat this." told him my mother q
e ^' 'o YA'/ / 'lL7 ^ ^ cr 95e iV/ a5 ^ i5
--.-.-,,-,, :-,------,---. ,







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M: How about your father? How about your father?

L: Huh? My father was a Catholic too,'went to the church every
Sunday. 6;Ji / VI5;

M: Right. What, what. .
Over- thtr ) ::I 5t ,
L: --ait ----------_Te~_ -o rcord, everybody's 6 /1, (//i
J
M: How about Pn' 17 ) i0 was he Catholic?
L: PagirI' no. i tji 5 a socialist. 'f/_
-eeve--------the an hy. Unless you are-
Unless
M: Can you, what was the, what was the church like In AleXandria?

L: The church? C
d <
M: What -dTee the look like? Do you reme ber it?
--~, ~ 'r -',/^-'r ^ ,<'i -,3 -n i', ,rc*/
L: Well, what ., _/_, '_ _/_ '__ _. rve_._

M: Right, the inside and outside.
;A T-a r (f *.rr '' l
L: So many-beautiful, youe- she d l- k over there\ Thiewhot
Shing afci the roof, /' ; .I /3'1l 6 O kL;/I / ,,'l, fji ,

v7Then e--all A.f / the church' I^s a saint. One here, one

there, one there.... And, for -e i-, m. _____ -rg.ei

in order to r-ome-bak--o the preacher, 4 // / / t /.

M: Oh, the _0_ / right, right.
L: AiB4-hre /Yowve I-0 -. t-r b k. ___ have anyA A/
LS e / "^jt' /}A, 7 ,, "' Aa,/v /
/Prr___ io ft ge. -If -tley all Ce, well,
you U/!/ si^ so many time, Then they
have tt all around the church, w4-t-h-t-4e / t, n pictures./r*
O''1 Each one's-a -P : -.r*g.'n r- j/*:'., y. '/ e/o

S t ,tr\ 9 the next Tty, and the next. That's the system they have by

the and you can't I' ':

M: Did any priest, did any of the Fathers come to Tampa from the








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old country? Immigrate with you? Do you remember did any of

the clerics, or did any of the church priests immigrate to

America along with the people?

L: The church?

M: Right, did any come to Tampa?






M: Let's talk about. .
L: Then the immigration was f SO J here, aA.R -_-
^t -tO --------C ----------


M: Let's talk about.




M: Okay. When you immigrated to America, did you leave from

P-l e rmo?

L: Yeah.

M: Does this3_ma y ar ring a bell? Is that familiar?

L:: Monte -doLgrime. That's where"I went over there with my

wife. Over there, I saw the chuch, I saw everything, I saw

the Santa O' /' Ov /j

M: When you left for PAlermo, how did you come, how did you leave

/n)A^/l:icm' /C /l when you left for America, how

did you get to Polermo?

L: Well, let's see, we from P/.S.di, k^ /6. I Plermo.

M: How did you get from A4k,\rie. 4 to Palermo?

L: With the ". explain

that. The three horse and a --

M: Wagon?

L: "-D V /i They were me from T vhk r-/i








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M: Oh, okay, transport, Pf)r' Okay. Right.
M: f W tOCh, r:'.'. i'f;'-r ok;ay,' .'* ;
pI! How long did it take you?
L: I went over there with, let me see, /s00?' by myself. "Cwe
-i-twas with about thirty or forty people [ropl //it ,'r;; /i f:e;

M: Thirty or forty people.)

L: i/ i L', I was w/ i kids.
M: How old were you at the time? How old were you at the time

when you left for America?

L: Fourteen.

M: Fourteen. Okay, so this was in 1904?
L: 19 04.

M: 1905, Okay.

L: it/ '.:". nearer i ". o many people, from
-SaB-ta-noer a then. 7/ ,Y L-f17 > k-it g with one horse k1
t (h -t j ry ,
ON1ty-problem-wes w/!d put 4-f balance and put i-t everything
in,i- ^T A I mean Polermo, Te Polermo, en-iro
A A e ',7 e (t -fy! n C,' ,7 Sri; /pgR^ \,Jh
Ve t With the eBs e. -e-- the /e" '''

e-ngine,-se And I went e*e-r to Hotel,
was tremendous.
M: In P lermo? 7 y I / ^ .r n /,

L: PAlermo, yeah.
4 T^ W '-: O r !,}' ,e. ,
"Yes, from there I went to the boat, and. .

M: Okay, wait, wait just a second, now. Was that the first time
you had left your home town, gone outside? Had you ever been

to PAlermo before?
L: No, no, +er before then. ,e //1 lyd ",/ U-
M: Okay. How, describe your. .








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L: I come back, I would come back /qt /q7 I/ "

.f my wife. Make 4-t two months /r-> 5 / f ,>'/r 4 A4c,


Fe rt e. The family, / 11 rI i.. r -.: : '** 4 .'

M: Had the area changed much?
L: 41 C O- ter, two "(I-",_ two

M: What's the area like today?
L: Huh?
art
M: What is the townslike today? When you were back in 1974?

L: Oh, was C different, I felt the di' fference fVm 'l' left, /ri/.

M: Tell me about your voyage to America, once you left qIlermqo

What was it like to travel by the boat? Do you remember the

name of the boat?

L: Well, the boat was--'wfi r'____ The boat was coming 4rom
_____________ a~r&i-thefl-w~eR- to MrIV .

M: Patri. Okay, the name of the boat was La Patria.

L: The-be-t was tremendous. We suffered.
M: You suffered?
C;/.!c,.
L: Took about -ts days.

M: How did you suffer?

L: When they came to the ocean, thesa was s tremendous, /
we stayed about four, five days on the bottom YvtA of the boat/fi
1i-ti' 1i/ f then the top. Was rng.

L water coming from ( A and the boat sways all

around.

M: Were you with your mother?

L: WV/ 5'!' tremendous.







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M: Were you with your mother or father? Or relatives?
L: Just myself, T S W 0// y myself. -l 7r,, 7 ikV/

w' ( lot of people there. Then, when -i- getf tito New York, we
present all the papers, V/'I/V
M: What was Ellis Island like?
L: Then my father i. /- W ) '
"----- .-/l 6/1 hn -/- 4 '/ /R/-t^- .

t-, 11L t--^ 11i Ui, .. I I I G
I *iememb, le's hf04 om G. 7. Zremte4r */ ___-d:_-
t "New York. And everybody went over there and he pick up all the
immigrants from /-^'" t-'d be -worth it t--bar to provide for
the train(f,, -ey w se t-t e r/

M: What was Ellis Island like? What did you think of Ellis Island?
L: Huh?
M: Ellis Island.
L: Ellis Island. I was surprised when -"- l 7' 7-y-\
c, 0e^y C bj 6ga ~i~^ y c
over there then. r-h-uld hav put amrtTr __wha-yOt go
to New York, and--e '5/4/' T1 /V Vy /i /'-- ..- //
i th~vO _c_ __ h, .Err___ A//'d ^j y v.
MI r- p^r 5 If I'd have known -ae _i_]-_he back. i-way
-_e people guaranteed me
VrC |h ,_ t c '4 /ba, TA~i fl/
that. -firt fcdior five oyS on the man
t_____ e old man wa a find too-thrm. So, everything was

tvt r9e (Y C r/ '~/r. r C !C'I' V
M: And would you take the train from New York to. .
L: Train, from New York to i-Ona .
M: What did you think of the countryside?
L: Oh, mama mia. ;e I. /, r .' ;., :/l/
see. M/' r-.- 7, 6o, 4 U 11 LI Lli-. i/-. uve-L-<








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0vr there. T (6, 6vCrff "er( fk. C1 Ifirst time here in Ybor
City. When I TO C r v over there cur friends all stand, all
-ur-. I asked my father A / city/Tampa
S/ r_ Course I remember al ):' /4 1
;C^~ t ~1 f. O^f~ PL/(( /'A :
S^ 4/- / ,- : 'f--i-rs-t--oe. The first .-unmer I e-a-t
L-croz o/C ropfoi
rice with chicken. _rr_________ol

M: Okay, Had you ever eaten rice before?
L: c '. poiA I 7v ie .. 'f ,:' .Xr ./1 r

j_,i"/y, r.rv I { y, vt'rs, :--.- house was terrible.
O .,,p( .r/ i:'.', I'' f '' /,//i sleep over there, and
"h e heto, 3PM Z Z Z 7 '9-, ': / -T ^ I ,My 74ei- "aJi i
imesmito. (Laughter) Any way, I took a -ri-rr ,/A
to make a cigar. Now a cigar maker. > \Th 1923. T /jy //
I i w' my wife, r p f. C/f
M: What was her maiden name? Was she Italian?
L:: She was born here.
M: Was she Italian?
L: No, 4I 1\ .. -----_- sixty four years
together. She passed away last year. ,y /, yr /
And this year, t-irt 5 A^ / // :
Tho was I`,v r ;r f
M: What was his name?

L: /" 'f only four
were _^_ __ _______ou
were ; rA ** r :'Z M: n / He was-a 4-a-ied Lu whaL?

M: What was his first name again? (
M: What was his first name again?








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L: And t-h-i,--, -o en is--oo, rr Ur over there. And the restaur-aei
:1'/fn that's my wife. That's my wife there. That's a

beautiful picture.
M: Isn't it? R4.t
L; Another son is dead, t wit. P,' left ', Joseph Cacciatore. /l .
M: What was Ybor City like when you arrived in 1905?
L: It was tremendous. It was tremendous.. -- /'/ :' ,i Seventh
Avenue, ._; live on Seventh Avenue, was the best street. i
t L -L/ J0 All the boys, we had _a ',/,.:
would play and go some other place, :' fO,I S organized
";t/ the first 1/ / I' / *' remember now, my father was -t4h.

L A fit / -- -, (- -- odiq '
Ipt; :n'---,Well, one day, at 'l ^ "r in Tampa, trefe.e _went
over there, four boys. And w (,. i with the F/ "in my pocket.
We took the 4r,) fo/c we walked tl j/o,; t; o"y-Tampa, -4o. Tampa,
walked over there, and walked inside.-- /Y7 5 // 1/)
You know what we did? -We-o// C all four. We bought
some kind of- pap e 7.___ ij .,, ofother people. What they did.
j .L't,--

He couldn't walk. W/I/ ,ty i\s' t iA "'t '5 lip P,, /V I\ V
So V" w, -Sc., orx, b/4.i /-- friendrwas -te- liv'it next to my father. The hearse
S____ dv 0l o this side, my father
on this side. 4A ;// / 4 / ,t/' h: .t, 4 g t4 onev-
w h- r, t1I\kril
Orrt / 7/ ". I remember my momma cr-eL, my father terribly upset.4 O,, .M, i'e
Yl 0 ;, b f/Irn.I told you fta stay outcT/ 6 Cor 6 7o 'c:/ Tb l 0ol/r f(//e, tv fir,r,
7uk :t /, /,ik4n w. /. ,o,.: ,,a ,7 F;: dr,, r: 7,,
stlr 6;L- ;/. Because ke- '" 3f-sh Black. f/- h 7r

C / K r } r- gr 5r L, t rr i'
5,'T^\.*LV 6,1- rl. T K t









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M: Did you learn to make cigars? Did you make, did you ever work in a cigar

factory?

L: Oh, yes.

M: Which factory? .

L: Well, there's so many. The first time t^7 j 17 "' "' f'fteen-

y/ f-^ dollars Q S Ocrnt ^\t / 6 --d--- club. Was the second

floor with< /h i Ac There was a grocery store.

M: A grocery store?

L: 7TA MA, which was the A1 c 'i/e /-b j
cigars was the second floor. '/\! rfj pay ten dollars, so. And try to )-__V_ _

so, the -ey" V ( / the mother of the mkn Was terrible. She pretend

to clean the floor, to clean everything, so, Ih *. CdL r r1cO y J / #e// f

His name was Peppi-- Spanish people,- My father paid to you ten dollars to
)C (4 to make cigars, not to clean the floors As your mother say.

O' your mother to clean everything, not me#. l if you don't like,

you can go. V ( P ^ /(IpU I quit.

M: Um hum. What'd your father say?

L: The influence on my father 0/'.'r (' on p/dAil Beach, was

the name of the .And there's so many ,j/A/r /')"'! -f-to eat

in the restaurant, so, with the influence, ---- rk i&/ f' f#( pv L f I",y'

fcry 1 )Irh to make C cigar That happened the seventh, took lunch with me, lunch, to eat
over there. But in the morning, L/\ the apprentice, _r u!t' ('fr /ter? b

- rvvl^ C(' they went tofhe, what do you call it, the bottom of the. ?

M: The basement?

L: Basement. To clean tobacco, th ey're goingg -t package 'to put under

water ,'. to j r' I t. -ought-of-a- ____ _

V%41.t- me the









HILLS CO 19A page 27



M: Were they Spanish, or Cuban?
- - w^I0,/, ,j t ,^\- .: /
L: Spanish people -th&tg they \/ft C' a hundred people 1'/? over there,
W/A -PeE fC rIf/ over there. many, Io- 1-knrw-when
co 1 4* l
Sr_________I aIame-heret- lunch, hy? Well, ....'

Went to the htOh\ O&t the factory; I)C /f<'o. 4ji ic-- o-jh e ad it

I can't eat. All right. I quit. 7 r#4 b .' _e another small -'r/

all the Italians. All the Italian. And with the influence, I went over there....

M: What was the name of that factory?

L: Let me see. Spanish -Get-r.
pbrt
M: The Spanish CefetrC

L: They called in 'har-ey, s little faf /r Well, I found more
people in-eItalian r_ 1 _>_,_,_ r j
people in -the Italian fVY .I And I J/l vr 0 learnl to make cigars

until I was a good maker of cigars. What happened for my 1S /'vt 0 'ty,6 -. kr!r

over there, -Iwas the-ey -ete to pay the full price. The full price tC-oget
S / i -,t- the other. Why Paul paid the full prices because he's the best

\c m e J L l ,t
cigar maker. .' ^. / .' A) /1/ price for you

eyll. C 6 y \,f'i. Then in it's way to be a big

fat i Big a-ea -rt c rV ____

M: Where'd most of the Italians work?

L: r-eC: t

M: Sidenburg still in business?

L: I went to the, let me see, what do they call it,
_C_ _. I work about the five or six o fT / .

M: LaRoasa espanol?

L: LaRosa espanol. I went over there.

M: Where'd most of the Italians work?

L: I went over there, they put me out. You know why? Big strike.







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M: Strike.

L: All the Spanish people involved in, we go to go

out because the could---- OftFr tobacco to better,-Se--t4ey---finL

"-aplace (Ai d Oq I'll tell the truth, and they went to the

what they call, organization over there on 8th Avenue, arrd had

a big organization / i Cb/r a(r {f / members.
O-p f e. re{" I fc'f
I went over there, the one on-lai-n-S-te-e-t line up what they

request for the cigar factory to give Nt,4 to the people.

I stand up, /y/T, and the Spanish, heyA-e talk'jgj in the

Spanish language. _f_ Spanish language tr i

And then I y /r ( got to request to pese P_ the
\/lf lk4S I g ^eIrl
sanitary place. You know whe-r-'-s sat place? The


No paper. No towel to wash the soap. And I explained to them,

no towel, everything is /; r /y ---- 5'// 9, they've got

to clean up. You know what they did to me after two weeks, they

put me out.

M: The owner, or your....?

L: -T+h wire. You know what ?

M: No. Out.

L: OUt. They put out. They put aTiT-d7anh-r or.

M: Or.

L: You know what they, in the Spanish language, ye-r c -c .

M: h,'d______

L: ) a J_______ In the Spanish language _f _/_7_._ _c

M: Now, was this the owners, or your, the workers?

L: Huh?

M: Was this the owners or the workers who put you out?








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L: The workmen. They not find the other foc/fY from the _rp__/_ 7
.1 S
board, big tcsoc I went to I went to LaRosa,

no, LaRosa was where it happened then. I was so many c__/ ,
Vr/i C\ otrd
I waned so many tC Cvr4 I was think-ig of--a-cigar maker.

M: Do you remember the 1910 strike?

L: The strike?

M: The 1910 strike?

L: Oh, was it tremendous. Ten months.

M: Ten months?

L: Ten month strike. Thrats- tremendous. Everybody suffered, say,

well, they they'll put some better.

Then they give the privilege to the '!_' / to have an inspector

S I'_ _<"'5 c.r6 all kinds of cigars. See, theat-s
q t4he-y-kind, cigar they have.-b.tt-one, two, three, four five,

about six or seven different classes of cigars. Big, small,

O- 0D all kinds of them. And what they call them



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