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DATE: WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 25, 1978
INTERVIEWER: STEVE KERBER
INTERVIEWEE: MISS JANE TYSON
PLACE: DIRECTOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM, FLORIDA STATE MUSEUM
TIME: 9:30 a.m.


K:Today is


Wednesday,


October 25, 1978. My name is Steve Kerber


and I am going to be conducting an oral history interview

with Miss Jane Tyson. Miss Tyson was formerly an assistant

in the Agriculture Experiment Station library at the


University of Florida to Mrs. Ida Cresap.


This interview


for the University of


Florida's


Oral history


Project will


take place in the director's conference room of the Florida

State Museum at 9:30 a.m.


K:...and as I think I told you before it's uh,


a very informal


uh, kind of a process

T:Oh, yes.


K:....And uh, if you


decide you want to stop and stretch your


legs after a half hour or something, just let me


know and


I'll turn it off.

T:Um huh.

K:We send it back to you so that you can go over it and if there

is something, perhaps a first name, ......

T:Yes.

K:....that I didn't have and you couldn't remember at the time,

you can stick it in at that point or something that you

wanted to take out, a sentence or.....


T:Yes











K:....something, you can do it. And then it comes back to us and

we type up the final version and then we send a copy of that


back to you also.


So you wind up with a copy of it....


T:Um huh.

K:....and we ask you to sign a legal release because eventually

all these are intended to be in the University Library, the

transcripts of the interviews.

T:Yes.

K:Okay. Uh, well, I usually start then, by asking you to tell me


your full


name, if you would.


T:Janie Lee Tyson.

K:And uh, when did you retire from the University of Florida?

T:In 1970.


K:Um huh. And what was your position


at that time?


T:I was assistant librarian at that time.

K:At the,..... ?

T:At the Agri, Agriculture Library, which


the Hume Library.

K:Un huh.

T:Uh, when I first began


work,


has been


it was the Agricultural


known as


Experiment


Station,...

K:Um huh.


T:And then in later years, it became the Agriculture Library,


agricultural students, as well as research.


K:It was


referred to when you started, as the Experiment Station


library?


The Agricultural Experiment Station library.


for


T:Yes, it was.











K:Um huh.

T:You see, uh,

K:Um huh...

T:Institute in


K:Um huh.

T:....was


IFAS,


Food and Agricultural Sciences....


at one time, Agricultural Experiment Station.


K:Um huh.

T:And the library serviced all of the departments of the

Agricultural Experiment Station....

K:Um huh.

T:...in Gainesville, as well as over the state.

K:Um huh. Let me follow up on that for just a second now. Um,

did the library, when you started working there, also, were

the materials in the library available to the people who

worked in the Extension Service?

T:Yes. Yes.

K:Were they available to the faculty in the College of

Agriculture?


T:Oh yes,


indeed.


Yes.


K:And how about the students in agriculture?

T:Well, there were so few students 'way back then.

K:Um huh.

T:Uh, yes, they used the library, too.

K:They were permitted to....


T:Yes. But there were very few


students


when I began work.


K:Okay, let me back up a little bit again now. Where do you come


from, where were you born?











T:I was born at Wacahoota....


K:Um huh.

T:....which is a rural community in Alachua County.


K:Um huh. Had your


family lived in Alachua County


for a long


time?


T:Yes. My father was born in Alachua County....

K:Um huh.

T:....the same place that I was born.

K:Um huh, What was your father's name?

T:John Oliver Tyson.

K:Un huh. And how about your mother?


T:My mother was born at Melrose and she was

she married.

K:Un huh. How do you spell that last name?

T:T-o-r-l-a-y.


K:Un huh. What did your father do


Tiny Torlay,


for a living?


farmer?

T:Yes. He was a farmer. And we also had a citrus


K:Oh. I see.

T:We...he had cotton, and then he had cattle,

K:Un huh.


Was he


grove.


too.


T:As well


as farming,


general farming.


K:Un huh. What community did you go to school in?

T:I began school at a little community known as Central.

between Wacahoota and Micanopy.


K:Un huh.


before


It was











T:And there was a little country school, one-room school,

all, grades from one to eight were taught.

K:Un huh.

T:And from there I went to Micanopy to school.

K:Un huh.

T:We drove eight miles.


K:Now, was this also grade school


in Micanopy?


was this high


school?


T:High school, too.

K:High school.

T:Yes.

K:So you graduated from high school in Micanopy?

T:I, I graduated. I did my graduate work, yes,

K:Un huh.

T:....from Micanopy.


K:Un huh. And do you mind telling


us when you graduated from


high school?


T:Oh dear.


That's something I didn't bring..... must have been


about 1917, 1918.


K:Now, after high school, did


you have the opportunity to go to


college?

T:No, I did not.

K:Un huh. What did you do then? Did you find employment

somewhere?

T:Um, wait a minute. I, I've told you wrong about the date....


K:Un huh.


where












T:...that I graduated. Um, I will go back and say, because of


illness, I was not able to really attend the school,


but uh,


we had a teacher that tutored me. Um,


no, I was


not able to


go to college but, must of


been 1928, I went to


Jacksonville. My brother lived in Jacksonville...

K:Un huh.


T:...and I went to Jacksonville and stayed with he

and took a business course.


K:Um huh. How did you come to work


and his wife,


at the university?


T:Well, Mrs. Grace Warren, at that time, was the home


demonstration


agent, which is now called, a homemaker's


clubs.....

K:Um huh.


T:Under the Agricultural Extension Service. And I


had been


member of one of those clubs.

K:I see.


T:Um, if fact,


we, my mother was very active.


K:Um huh.


T:...in that group. And Mrs. Warren knew that I


was in


Jacksonville and that I was ready for some work....

K:Um huh.

T:...true work, and Mrs. Ida Keeling Cresap needed someone

she asked Mrs. Warren....

K:Um huh.


T:...if she knew of


a person,


and she gave her my name,


sent me a telegram. I received it in Jacksonville. Now


this was during the Depression..


and she












K:Um huh.


T:...and if you didn't live through the Depression,


... you just


don't know about such things...

K:Um huh.

T:...but I received a telegram that uh, there was a position open

for uh, secretary...

K:Um huh.

T:...a typist in the Agricultural Experiment Station library with


the beginning salary of $100, if I...a month, if


I was


interested,


um, to please come for


an interview.


K:Um huh.


T:I did not have the money to come, but I

K:Um huh.

T:And uh,.....

K:So you came over on the train? Or...

T:Yes.

K:Um huh.


borrowed


T:On the train.


K:Um huh.


Now I'm sure you had been


in Gainesville...


T:Oh yes.

K:...many times before that?

T:Oh yes.

K:What was ... your....

T:Gainesville was really our,


our home....


K:Um huh.


T:...community., because we came to Gainesville,


every week....


K:Shopping?












father having this farm, uh, he grew produce


that we brought to Gainesville to sell. We furnished a


great lot of


fresh vegetables to some of the stores in


downtown Gainesville.

K:So he did, he sort of did some truck farming.... to....

T:Yes. Yes.

K:Um huh. Now, do you remember, at all, the first time that you


would have come to the university?


Would it have, would it


have been as a very small child? Just out to the campus?


T:Yes. Yes. I, the best I can remember, was when

Home Demonstration Clubs....

K:Um huh.


T:They had a, a meeting every summer. And,


we were in


I don't remember what


it was called....but it was like a fair on the campus..

K:Oh. Um huh.

T:And we had, there was completion among different ones,

especially the ladies in things that they did.

K:Um huh.

T:For instance, I entered a cooking contest....

K:Um huh.

T:....and made a salad...

K:Um huh.

T:And that's some of my first memories.....

K:Un huh..

T:But I was just a teenager then.


K:Do you remember where that might have been held on


campus?


T:Yes. Approximately at, it was just east of the now Auditorium.


T:Yes, yes. And my












K:Um huh. Just to the east of that....


T:Tn some of those old


old buildings


K:Un huh. And it was uh, a fair, involving the young women who

were....in this club?


T:Yes..and, and the older women.


You see, I lived in a community


where there were no young people, my age.

K:Oh. Um huh.


T:And so,


they made a special


uh, dispensation for me and let me


attend the adult clubs.


K:I see. So it was really for the wives


of farmers....


T:Yes.


K:Not just


for younger....women.


T:Yes., Yes.

K:I see, Okay.


Now what was uh. the


year that


you received that


telegram from Mrs. Cresap?


T:In, In 19


K:1929.

T:Yes.

K:Um huh


You said....


and 29.


SSo you came over on the train and did you meet with


her personally?

T:Yes, I did.

K:Un huh. Could you tell us a little bit about that?

T:I, I went to her home....

K:Um huh. Where was that?


T:On um, north west Washington


Street...


K:Um huh.


T:Which is now Fifteenth


Street.











K:Un huh.


T:Four-two-five...

K:Um huh.


T:Um hum.

K:Um huh.


I went to her home


and she interviewed me, there.


T:And uh, told me that I had the job. And I


was to, to come to


work, the first of December,


which was


the second day


December, 1929.

K:Un huh.


T:This was


the first,


sometime before Thanksgiving,,,....


K:Un huh.

T:That I had the interview.

K:Un huh.

T:But I didn't start work until the first of the month.

K:Un huh. Now, uh, ....


T:Then I went to my parents'


home and stayed....


K:And stayed there until you started?

T:Yes. Yes.

K:Okay. So I was going to ask you then, did you uh, go out and

try to find room and board with someone? Where did you

stay? or did you stay with your parents and commute to

Gainesville?

T:No, I stayed in town. But we had a very dear friend that had

lived about two miles from us in the country that had moved

to Gainesville....

K:Un huh.


T:And so I stayed with her.











K:I see.


T:A Mrs. Smith.

K:Un huh. Now.....


T:In fact,


she was,


I was named for her.


K:Oh, really?

T:Um hum.

K:How long did you uh, continue to live with uh,...

T:I only lived with her uh, in her home, she had a rooming house,

um, near downtown Gainesville, and I only lived there a

short time because I had a cousin that.....

K:Um huh.


T: ....had moved to Gainesville, and her


father was


hospital and, and ill.

K:Um huh.


husband worked for the State Road Department and he


was gone all week...

K:Um huh.

T:And so I moved in with my cousin.

K:I see. Did Mrs. Smith uh, specialize in

did she just take anyone?

T:Uh, just anyone, yes.

K:Un huh.

T:She had two grandsons.....

K:Un huh.

T:....that were attending the University.

K:Uh huh.


taking in students or


she had a lot of other roomers.


T:My cousin's


in the


T:And then,












K:Did she have a very large rooming house?


T:Oh, there must have been uh, eight or ten.

K:Un huh. Where was her house located? Was it, what, near the

square?

T:Yes. Yes. It was on um, Second.... must have been First


Street, south west.

K:Um huh.


T:About uh, it was near the uh,

Furniture Company,

K:Um huh.

T:...if you know where that is


it was almost 'back of Badcock's


now.


K:Yes.

T:Um hum.

K:Okay.

T:Right in there.


K:Did you have to be interviewed by


anyone other than


Mrs.


Cresap....

T:No.

K:....to get the job?


T:No. I did not.


K:No. Did you have to uh, sign


any papers


or anything like that?


T:I just, she just interviewed me and I,

K:Un huh. Now...

T:In those days, it was quite different.

K:I'm sure.

T:Um hum.


that's all.


up on Monday morning then


Or just a few people?


to start work....


K:So you showed












T:That's right....that's right.


K:....and what sort of duties did she give you,


at the very


first?

T:Well, I did typing....


K:Um huh.

T:And uh, I did some secretarial work....

K:Um huh.


T:And, any secretarial,

the library....

K:Um huh.


any secretarial work that was


required of


T:And, pardon


me, we had state documents that we catalogued....


K:Um huh.

T:And I did the typing of the cards.

K:I see.

T:Also. And I, there was no other, permanent, full-time person

in the library....

K:Um huh.


T:And so,


our office was


just, just out the main reading room,


and stack room and everything, and anyone would come and

want something, why you'd get up and go and, and get it

them.


K:So you really


found yourself doing the work


a librarian


instances.....

T:And, anything....

K:Um huh.

T:Anything that was, that would you do in the library. In those


days.


for


many











K:Um huh. So...


T:You, you see, when I began work, there were very few books....

K:Um huh.


T:I would say,


not more that 5,000,.....


K:Um huh.


T:....books in the library.

K:Oh. None at all?

T:No classisication at all.

K:Hum.

H:The, there were a good many

... um, periodicals...

K:Um huh.


a scientific nature.


And, none of them were catalogued.


magazines.... I


And they were


say magazines,


all shelved in


alphabetic order by titles...


T:There were very


few books. When I say books,


I mean textbooks.


K:Um huh.


T:Most of our material was either state documents


or U.S.


Department of Agriculture documents....

K:Um huh.

T:And we had foreign documents from agricultural, pertaining to

agriculture, from foreign countries.

K:Um huh. Um huh.


T:And then


we had a, this number of periodicals.


K:Um huh.

T:Pertaining to um, botany and general agriculture and ....

K:Um huh.


fields, sciences in agriculture.


T:The different












K:I should ask you exactly where the library collection was


located when you started in 1929?


T:In was on the second

is now,......

K:Rolfs? Rolfs Hall?


T:Yes. That's


floor, in the Horticulture Building, which


right.


K:And how many room did you say you had there?

T:We had the librarian's office and long room.


K:Um huh. And that was both where the books and periodicals


shelved and...

T:Yes.

K:...and the reading room?


T:And the tab, the tables were, there were metal


stacks.....


K:Um huh.

T:...in this large room, and down the side of the room were

windows and under each window was a little square table....

K:Um huh.

T:...that two people could sit and then there were two or three


long tables right,


just as you entered the library....


K:Um huh.

T:...because the room was not full stacks at that time.

K:Um huh. Did the library remain in those rooms until McCarty

Hall was built?

T:Yes, it did. Only we had, almost the entire second floor.

K:I see. So it spread out on the second floor?

T:Oh yes. Oh yes.


K:Um huh.


were












T:Um, there was a little, when you, went up to the second floor,


K:Um huh.


T:...on your left,


was this little office that was


a librarian's


office. The next room was a very large, long


room.....


K:Um huh.


T:....well, and then at the end of it was a small


office. And


then there was a classroom at the end of that, so you see,

the, the entire length of the building, and uh, eventually,


we had all of that and all the way to the east

enclosed the east end of the hall.....

K:Um huh.

T: ....and put stacks in it....

K:Um huh.

T:...and we put stacks in classrooms across the....

K:Heh heh.


we uh,


T:....in what had been


offices,


and then


classrooms .....


K:Um huh.

T:And then


we had,


on the left


and the


right of the hall.


K:I see.


T:There was,


I believe, one office across


the room from


had all the rest of that building, that floor.

K:Um huh.

T:And we had put um, cabinets in the hall, wooden cabinets that

were, that had doors and locks,.....

K:Um huh.


T:And we had to store material in there....


us, we











K:Um huh.

T:Oh, you can't imagine.....

K:Heh he hheh....

T:Ha ha, how it had grown......

K:When, well you mentioned earlier, that at first it was referred

to as the Experiment Station library,....

T:Yes.

K:....did they begin to call it just the Agriculture library


before the new building, McCarty Hall,....

T:No.

K: .... was built? Not until then?


T:No., not until then. Not until uh, the new building and uh,


then it was


referred to


as Agricultural library.


K:I see. Now, could you tell me a little bit about how Mrs.

Cresap's duties compared to your own? In other words, did

you usually work together on the same kinds of things that

needed to be done? Or was there any strict differentiation

at all between the kinds of things she did during a day, and

the kinds of things that you did.


T:Well, of


course, Mrs. Cresap was the librarian.....


K:Um huh.

T:And uh, yes, there was quite a lot of difference....

K:Um huh.

T:She had the contact with ....the director.....


K:Um huh.












T:And uh, made the decisions as to what would be uh, done and had

full charge of the budget and, and such. Just like the head

of any department......

K:Um huh.


T:But she also um, did some classifying


the earl


because we began,


1930's, classifying the material.


K:Um huh.


T:And at that time, I,


I did not know, I had had no experience


with a classification. And as this was an agriculture

library, Mrs. Cresap had made several visits to Washington,

to the U.S. Department of Agriculture library....

K:Um huh.

T:And there she had studied and um, secured a copy of their

classification scheme...

K:Um huh.


T:...which she brought back, and that is

scheme that this library has used.

K:Um huh.


the classification


T:It was not


as full or expanded as large as


we wanted it....


K:Um huh.

H:And so in years to come, we expanded the scheme to fit our

purpose.

K:Um huh.

T:Um, yes, my duties were, I'll go back now,....

K:No, that's okay.....

T:...to the question you asked....my duties were to type the


cards of the documents...


oh in












K:Um huh.

T:To help anyone that needed help.....to uh, located material, to

shelve material, well, you see, this material came in every

day.....

K:Um huh.

T:The little post office was in the building on the first floor,


and I got the mat,, the mail, and after receiving


a complete


volume of


the periodicals,


if there was


money,


we had them


bound...

K:I see.

T:...into books.

bindery....

K:I see..

T:We also bound


And so I prepared the material


the state documents.


K:Um huh.


T:And the U.S. Department of Agriculture documents.


We received


uh, foreign documents and some, some of them were bound.

K:Um huh.


T:As, as there were


funds.


K:Did you have your binding done in town? Or?

T:No.,,, uh, in Jacksonville....

K:I see.

T:There was a bindery there that we shipped the material to.

K:Now, about this classification system....if I understand you

correctly, your collection continued to outgrow the initial

system that Mrs. Cresap had picked up in Washington.....


T:Yes, yes.


for the












K:....and so you had to really adapt it....

T:That's right...

K:...to the material that you subsequently acquired?


T:Yes, and expanded the classification


scheme.


K:Um huh.

T:You see,


by using decimals,


you can uh,


for instance,


was uh, well, I'll go to 99.


99 was forestry....


K:Um huh.

T:And you have so much under forestry you only had one number -

and so you inserted many decimals...

K:Um huh.


T:...to keep all of the


forestry material together.


K:Um huh. So there really was no adequate system available to

you? You just had to make it up?

T:That's right.

K:Um huh.

T:Yes.

K:So, someone going to a similar library in another area of the


country would not have


found the same system....


T:Not exactly....um,...

K:...except in basic points....


T:Cornell


University used that at one time, but they eventually


went to the Dewey Decimal,

K:Um huh.

T:I believe.


K:Um huh. Do you know if, from what Mrs.


Cresap may


have told


you, if she ever had any formal training as a librarian?


94, say,












T:Um, I don't believe so. Except um, in


a graduate of library school...

K:Um huh.

T:But she studied a great deal

K:Um huh.

T:And she took library courses....

K:Um huh.

T:As I did too, later.

K:Um huh. Let me follow up on that. Did, did she take them

here? Or did she go to Tallahassee or what?


T:No, she took hers,


I think, through Washington


K:I see.

T:Yes.

K:And how about you? Where did you go?


T:Well, I

K:Um huh.

T:Yes.

K:Umhuh.


took some here....


Were those offered by the people from Tallahassee?


T:By the main, the main library here.

K:Un huh. By the librarians here?

T:The school of library science here,....

K:Un huh.

T:Yes.

K:I see. They didn't grant a degree though

T:No. No.


K:....in library science,


did they?


They just offered some


courses.


here....


other words, she was not












right. Um huh.


K:I see. Okay. Now,


when you began work here, were you, and for


that matter,


was Mrs. Cresap, on the state payroll


or on the


federal?

T:On the state.


K:And it was


always.....


T:Yes. Yes.

K:....that way through your


T:Yes. Yes.


Where did the book budget


money come from? Was that


also state money?

T:Yes. You see, we were a department of the Agricultural

Experiment Station....

K:Un huh.

T:....which is now IFAS.

K:Un huh.


T:Just like horticulture or botany or


uh animal


K:Uh huh.

T:And so the budget came through the Agricultural uh, Experiment

Station, which was a part of the state.

K:Un huh. Was that a budget just for the library or did the

departments within the station have a certain budget for

buying.....

T:Each....

K: ....materials?

T:Each department had a budget.....


K:Un huh.


career?


see.


science.


T:That's












T:Um, our little salary, everything. Now the departments had a


very small amount that they spent


for books


that they kept


in their department.....

K:Un huh.

T:So they were always right in their department.


K:Oh, they had collections


separate from yours


T:Yes, they did.....

K:Small ones?


T:....because the research


worker needed it right at his


hand.....

K:Un huh.

T:....so much of the time.

K:Un huh.

T:And they had....some of the departments had acquired, oh

several hundred volumes over the years, but eventually all

that material was catalogued by us.

K:Un huh.

T:And brought in to the agriculture library. I don't believe any

of the departments had material in their own departments, in


later years. Maybe just,


you know,


a volume or two.


K:Yeah.


T:But no library as such.

K:Would that have been brought together before the move to the

Hume library?

T:Yes, it was.

K:Was it?


T:Most of it,.


then?












K:Un huh.


T:Yes. I believe veterinary science still had th,


their library, until just a


maintained


few years ago.


K:Un huh. Let me ask you a few more questions about Mrs. Cresap.

T:Un huh.


K:About how old was she when you started to work here in


1929?


T:Well, now let me see. I, I've never been


a good judge of


but I would say Mrs.

K:Un huh.

T:Something like that.


Cresap was


K:I understand that she was a widow,


at that time?


T:Yes, yes, I never knew her.....

K:Her husband?

T:No. He had died sometime before she came to Gainesville.

K:Did she ever tell you how she managed, er, how she got the job


here? Why, why, and how


she came here?


T:Yes, um, Dr. Wilmon Newell was the director of the Agricultural

Experiment Station and Mrs. Cresap lived in Marianna.

K:Un hum.

T:She.....was writing at that time, for a paper...

K:Un huh.


T:....and I'm not absolutely sure how, but


someway he


asked her


to come to be editor....

K:Un huh.


T:But when


she arrived,


the changed it.....


K:Heh heh heh heh.


T:...and she became the librarian, and J. Francis


uh, 35,


40....


age,


Cooper...











K:Un huh.

T:....came as the editor for the Agricultural Experiment Station.

K:I see. So they came at the same time?

T:I think just about the same time.

K:Un huh. Was she disappointed?

T:No. No. She loved the library.

K:Un huh.


T:And she always loved helping people,


and, and had a, wonderful


sense of,


what's word I want to


use, she was almost ahead of


her time.

K:Un hum.


T:Because she wanted to expand and do so many


um, things that had


never been done in a library.

K:Un huh. What did she look like? Could you describe her a

little bit physically? Was she a tall woman or was she a

dark woman?


T:Yes, she was

slender.


about uh, five feet eight uh, nine, rather

Um, she had a, a little dark complexion, her eyes


were brown....

K:Un hum.


T:She could be very stern


but she was


very good also.


K:Un huh.

T:And um, she, she lived and breathed thinking about the library

and how she could um, expand it, how um, she dreamed of the

move to a larger building....


K:Un hum.












T:She planned the building for the library


possible.

K:Un huh.

T:Mrs. Cresap had students that worked in the library, we had

many students over the years, and the young people that

worked in the library, she began to make them her personal

friends....

K:Un huh.

T:And, we were more like a large family.


K:Un hum. Did she have


any children


of her own?


T:No.


K:She didn't.


T:She did not. Her mother and father lived with


death.

K:Un huh.

T:Excuse me.


her until their


Here in Gainesville.


K:Un huh.

T:She had a nephew that came and stayed with her a great deal....

K:Un huh.

T:...as he was growing up, he spent every summer with her and

then he came here to the University.

K:Un huh. How would you describe her uh, attitude towards the

use of the library? Would you say that she tried to make it

as accessible as possible?

T:Yes. Yes, very much.


K:Uh huh


as much


as it was












T:She was always um, wanting it used more. Um,


say,.....I cannot give you dates....

K:Un huh.

T:....but after we began to expand the library....

K:Un huh.

T:...the students wanted, needed to use it so much more....

K:Un huh.

T: ....and so there was an agricultural club of students and the

president of this club came and talked to Mrs. Cresap about


keeping the library open


at night.


K:Un huh.


T:Heretofore it


had only been


open from eight until


five each


day....


K:Un huh.

T:....Monday through Friday, and eight to two, eight to one on

Saturday....

K:Un hum.

T:But, the students also needed, because the material that the

professors were giving them, was placed on reserve and kept

in the library for them.

K:Un huh.


T:So, she began keeping it over, open


three hours


at night....


K:Un huh.


T:And for that she had to


use student assistants, as we called


them. They were students in school,....


K:Un huh.


perhaps I should












T:And they worked during the day some hours and then they kept

the library open at night.


K:I see. So neither one of you would

T:No. No.

K:Un huh.

T:We couldn't work all day and ....


have been


there at night?


K:They sure weren't going to pay you


for it


anyway.......


T:Ha. Well, that's right. But um, you just couldn't do that....

K:Surely.

T:No.


K:Surely.


Would you just


have had then,


when that stared,


student there, one student assistant? Or would you have had

more than one?

T:We just had one that stayed in the evening.

K:Un huh.


T:At first.


And then um, as we expanded, and grew larger, why


then we began getting more full-time people.

K:Un huh. Now, ori....


T:In 19....now let me see, in 1942,


there was


still just Mrs.


Cresap and myself, full-time.

K:Un huh.

T:And wa, no, there was one other lady, young woman. And she


hired two ladies,


part-time, and I


guess in 1943,


then, one


of the ladies um, was hired full-time.

K:Uh huh.

T:And from then on, we began getting more and more full-time


assistants.


one












K:Un huh.

T:We had, maybe five or six student assistants

K:Un huh.


T:And by 19


and 50, we had, I have to count, ha ha ah ahha ha ha


K:He he heh.

T:There must have been ten full-time assistants and....

K:heh heh heh...

T:and, and at least fifteen student assistants.

K:That's amazing.

T:Yes.

K:When you started, who were the main users of the library?


it the staff of the station?


Or the...


T:Yes.

K:...student ....?


T:No., the staff of the station.


K:It was


the staff.


T:Yes.


K:Un huh. Did, did students have to come at that time to take


advantage of materials that were on reserve for


agriculture


classes? Or had that started?

T:Yes. Um, no, we didn't have it on


reserve when


K:Un huh.


T:There was,

only a


they were kept in the main library...but, it was


year


or two....


K:Un huh.


T:...until the professors decided they did not have the material


in the main library that we had....


Was


I began


work...












K:Un hum.

T:And um,


so they wanted to change it...


K:Un hum.

T:....and have their students come....to the agriculture library.


Which they did


About two years I would say,


after I began


work....

K:So did they then remove the agriculture material from the main

library?


T:Over the years..


..but it was quite some


years


afterwards....


K:It was a gradual....

T:Yes.

K:...process?


T:Yes. And there were not so many....

K:Un huh.

T:....then.

K:But, before that, the agriculture college must have then

buying.....

T:Yes....

K:...books....

T:The budget......

K: ....and putting them in the main library....


T:....the budget was increased....


.the agricultural college,


then,

K:Un huh...


T:uh, had a certain amount in the budget.....

K:Un huh.

T:....for assistant's help....


been











K:Un huh.

T: ....and for books.

K:I see.

T:And Dr. H. Harold Humewas the, ......hum.....

K:They call him the dean or the provost or.....


T:Well, he was the provost, he was

K:Un huh.

T:....then he became the provost.

K:Un hum.

T:And Dr. W. L. [Wilbur Leonidas]


the dean


Floyd was


first....


the dean


college....

K:Un huh.


T:...at the beginning,


of my stay.


K:Now, when


you started, was it possible


for anyone to actually


check materials out of the library? Or did everything

to be used in the library?

T:The faculty could, could check material out, but not....

K:The faculty......

T: ....not any students.

K:Un huh. And the Experiment people could?

T:Yes.

K:The station's staff could?


have


T:Yes, Yes.

K:How long would you allow something to go out? For two weeks?

T:Yes, or a month.....

K:Oh really?


T:Unless there was a call for it.


of the











K:Un huh.

T:If there was a call then we uh, ....

K:Un huh.

T:...would ask them if they could return it.

K:Un hum. Now, of course, at that time, they didn't have

computer, computers and and punch cards....how did you

actually check a book out to someone?

T:We had a little notebook...

K:Un huh.

T:...that um, looked very similar to a receipt book only it had

numbers on it.

K:Un huh.


T:And we wrote,


when


a faculty member came in and wanted to check


a book out, he brought it to the desk and we wrote uh, on

this little sheet of paper, the title, and uh, the date, and

if it was a periodical, well we put the volume number and

then his name.

K:And that was all there was to it...


T:And that was all. And then,


we had a large book of regular


loose-leaf notebook, that we had material listed by title,

in alphabetic order. So, if someone came in and wanted

plant pathology, we could look under the title and see who

had it.


K:I see. Let me interrupt you


for a second....


T:Yes.


K:...and flip this cassette over











End of side one.


K:Oh, not at all. Now, since the uh, stacks were all in the same


room as the uh, tables

assume that....

T:In the beginning... yes.

K:....is was possible, yes,


and chairs


for people to sit


at, I


in the beginning, for students to go


through the stacks?


T:Oh


yes, oh yes.


K:So it was an open stack situation at the first.

T:Yes.

K:Did they change that later on at any time during


your career?


Did they change


from open


to closed stacks?


T:Yes. We had to. Some years later,....

K:Um hum.


T:Must of been some time in


the early 1940's


that we had....of


room about three times as large as this that we


used as a


reading room...

K:Um hum.

T:And there were still small tables under the windows...

K:Uh huh.

T:That the students could, or anyone, ....

K:Uh huh.

T:...the patrons of the library could use. We had moved and had

only the periodicals and the books in this large stack room.


K:Uh huh.











T:By that time, everything had been catalogued, classified, and

given a number.

K:Uh huh.

T:And then we had this large reading room with a, a reference

desk, and then beyond it was a, a room, a stack room with

uh, all of the state documents. And as I told you, we had

do, enclosed the hall on the east end of this building and

we had placed the foreign documents out there.

K:Uh huh.

T:And we had a, a long table there, so if any one needed, they

could sit there.

K:Uh huh.

T:We had uh, some low window shelves put under each window and

there were some tall stools and a person could sit....

K:Uh huh.


T:...to look, when they looked up something.


There was no space


for people to sit and so that was the best that could be

done.

K:Uh huh.

T:And that was during Dr. H. Harold Hume's reign, when he was

provost.

K:Uh huh. When you started, um, how much of the material, excuse

me, that came to the library, came on an exchange basis,

roughly, and how much would have been books that were


actually purchased through the budget?












T:When I started, most of the material was on exchange because we

received material from all of the agricultural experiment

stations, the states.

K:Uh huh.

T:We also received it from the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

K:Uh huh.


T:And from uh,


some foreign countries.


And that was


exchange...

K:Uh huh.


T:For our,


for the documents from the Agricultural


Experiment


Station here.

K:Uh huh.


T:You see, there was a um, a mailing room on the first


floor.


K:Uh huh.

T:And there was a, an agreement between the librarian and the


other states


whereby our material was


K:Uh huh.

T:...in exchange.

K:Uhhuh.


T:But it came directly to us

first was on exchange.

K:Did the percentage....

T:I, would say, at least....

K:......change greatly?


So the most of the material at


T:Oh yes.


Oh yes. Very much


so.


By 19 and um, oh,


by 1935,


we were buying much more material.


K:I see.


all in


sent...











T:And, Mrs. Cresap had a very good rapport with the director and

whenever there was any extra money in the budget...heh,....

K:Uh huh.

T:...that was not in our budget, but in the director's budget,

um, if possible, he gave her extra money that we could use

for binding or that we could buy books.

K:Uh huh.


T:And when


I say, a lot of money,


it was a lot of money then.


K:Uh huh.

T:Maybe several thousand dollars.

K:Uh huh. Was there any one of the directors, since you

mentioned the directors, with whom she got along with a lot

better than any of the others?

T:No, I think she got along with all of the directors.

K:She had a good relationship with each of them.

T:A good relationship, yes she did.

K:I see. Now, did the um, station ever uh, come to receive a

portion of the general university's library budget? Or

were, were your funds for acquisition always contained

within the station budget itself?

T:No. um, There was a, an amount in the main library that was t

be spent for books in the agricultural library.

K:Uh huh.

T:I'm trying to remember approximately when that was.....

K:Uh huh.

T:I would say about 1945.


K:Uh huh.











T:Maybe a little later. Anyway, we um, made a listing on cards

and sent to the university library acquisitions department.

In other words, we had uh, secured all of the information,

the price and whatever could be secured and everything.

K:Uh huh.

T:And sent it, there. And then the books came, at first they

were catalogued, in the main library...

K:Uh huh.

T:By using our classification scheme. But that was not


satisfactory because there was too great a lapse in

the books were ordered until they were received.

K:Uh huh.


the time


T:And so,


it was eventually changed


and all of the books that


went through that budget were sent directly to our


K:Uh huh.


T:Now we did not have


a large staff


for cataloguing...


K:Uh huh.

T:But we made the books accessible....

K:Uh huh.


T:...almost immediately.


Tf we could


not catalogue,


at one time


we were not able to catalogue all of the books,


after we


moved into IFAS...

K:Uh huh.


T:...because of,


by that time, I had worked all over the


library...


K:Uh huh.


library.











T:...reference, everything, and then, I just specialized in

cataloguing. We had a, another cataloguer that was most


excellent and she left


us.


She resigned.


K:Uh huh.

T:And after she left, it was impossible for me to keep up with

the cataloguing so we used a symbol on the books and put


them on a certain shelf and put cards in


the catalogue, so


that they could be located.

K:Uh huh.


T:We had,


I think, three cards for each book.


You didn't


all that but...ha ha ha...

K:Well, I, I was going to come to that...but let me just double

check now to be sure I understand you. Did, was the


acquisition and cataloguing of all of your material


done by


you and Mrs. Cresap until 1940's when the library, general

library started to do it.

T:Yes, yes, yes it was.

K:Uh huh. I see.

T:Uh huh, uh huh.

K:And tha, those books...

T:And they...


K:...that were purchased by the


library, the general


university


library, they did it themselves until the change that you're

talking about?

T:Yes.

K:Okay.


T:Yes.


ask me












K:I see.

T:Yes. Those that were purchased through....

K:Through their budget...


T:Through,


.. yes.


That's right.


K:Uh huh.

T:And actually it was um, it was called an agricultural fund...

K:Uh huh. Uh huh. But for the books and pamphlets and bulletins

and whatever that were bought by the budget in the

Agricultural Station.....


T:Um hum,


yes..... that's right.


K:....you were the one who wrote the letters...

T:Yes.

K:....and you were the one who handled the correspondence....


T:Yes...

K:....with the publishers.....

T:That's right....

K:And you.....

T:That's correct...

K:...did the cataloguing....

T:Um hum. Every bit of it.

K:I see.

T:Yes.


As long as, up until that


period in


the 1940's.


T:Yes, Yes.

K:I see.

T:And then, um, that fund was transferred to our budget....

K:Uh huh.


K:I see.











for some, some years,


buying.


K:Uh huh.

T:...all


of the processing...


K:Uh huh.

T:...of the books.


K:At the time that you retired,


was that still the system?


T:Yes.


K:Was everything done in the agricultural


library?


T:Yes. Yes.

K:So, they really did nothing for you in the main library?

T:No., No. Not really. Now, another thing, since the main

library had a listing of the material on the campus,


everything,


um, some years before, we


had furnished them


with cards for all of our material...

K:Uh huh.

T:Since that's the central catalogue.

K:Right.

T:And we continued right on...

K:Uh huh.

T:All new acquisitions, sending them a set of cards


catalogue.


K:Uh huh.


for their


And I guess it's still done-it was.


Yes. Uh, you mentioned earlier, that when you began


to work here, there was no catalogue to the collection in

the station library. When did you and Mrs. Cresap put that


together?


T:And so,


there was not,


we did all of the











T:Uh, now I will say, there was a catalogue, but they were not


classified.....

K:Okay.

T:There was a catalogue by author and title...


K:Uh huh.


T:...and and subject matter. But there was


no classification


number um, the material we started when....

K:Uh huh.


T:In the


first, we used what was known as an acquisition number.


K:Uh huh.

T:Acquisition number being our, the number of the book, like it


was uh, five hundred and


forty and we put that on the back


of the book...

K:Uh huh.

T:And on the inside also...

K:Uh huh.

T:And that was all the number that was on any of the volumes


until sometime in


the early 1930's....


K:Uh huh.

T:And Mrs. Cresap knew then that we would have to have a

classification.


K:And before that, every thing had been


shelved alphabetically?


T:Yes.

K:Uh huh.

T:Yes.

K:I see.












T:All of the periodicals....we had


wall, that was about


as long


one shelf about a stack on

as this room is wide...


K:Uh huh.

T:That had


a number of shelves.


And all of the books


were placed


on that shelf.

K:Hum.

T:There were just so

K:Uh huh.


T:The uh,


state documents were


filed by state and by number as


um, as each state, you know, carried their own number,


like one,


two, three, bulletin...


K:Uh huh.


T:....in numerical order.


The annual reports for, from the state


were put all together by date...

K:Uh huh.

T:...and then the, the bulletins or whatever.

were many different types of bulletins.


...because there

There would be a


bulletin, there would be maybe a technical bulletin, series,

uh, uh, or circulars, and at these states, there was also

Agricultural Extension Service...

K:Uh huh.

T:....that issued material and so we had that too.

K:Uh huh. Now, there were uh, I'm not sure what you'd call them,

but there were sort of branch stations in the state of

Florida weren't there, .....

T:Yes, Yes.


K:....for citrus and what not?


few...


each











T:Yes, yes.

K:What was your relationship to them as far as the library?

T:Well, very great relationship. We had um, borrowed material

for them, from Washington, ..

K:Uh huh.

T:And I might say, if I could just insert this, that Mrs. Cresap

borrowed material from the U.S. Department of Agriculture,

Library of Congress, and then other libraries throughout the

United States, especially um, there was one in Baltimore

that she used, and there was one at Cornell, in the

beginning.

K:Uh huh.

T:Um, and when the research worker, a staff member at one of the


branch stations, needed a certain publication, why,


she did


everything possible to borrow it.

K:Uh huh.

T:And most of the time was able to secure it.


Oh, we had tools


in the library in which you could find um, what library had

a certain periodical....

K:Uh huh.


T:And so you


knew just where to write...


K:Uh huh.


T:And request it.


Yes, the um, the library, the branch


stations


borrowed material from us. We circulated material then,...

K:Uh huh.

T:Um,....there were seven branch stations and eleven field


laboratories, I believe.











K:Uh huh.

T:The cooperation was excellent between all of them. We um, they

had small libraries within their own branch station, and so,

in the 1950s, 1950's, we began sending them catalogue cards

for state documents ...

K:Uh huh.

T:As we catalogued them here, then we sent them a copy and they

could use it as a reference tool, so if they needed

something, either we had it or, if they had it. Some of

the, uh, branch stations had several thousand volumes that

had not been catalogued and so I went to each one of the

branch stations ....

K:Huh.

T:....and made a listing of their material. And brought it home

and we, by title, catalogued their material, if we did not

have it.

K:Oh, I see.

T:Much of the material we had in the library and we were able to

send them the call number and then they would place it on

the call number.

K:I see.

T:And we sent them uh, a set of cards for their material. We'd

also um, buy rubber stamp, stamped our cards as being in

subtropical station or in um, the citrus station or

wherever.

K:So that the material at those substations also could be


borrowed .....











T:Yes.

K:.....by a say a staff member here....

T:Yes. If it was not too much in demand there.

K:Uh huh. I see.

T:Uh huh.


K:Who was


Mrs. Cresap's immediate supervisor?


Was it the


director of the station?

T:Yes. The director of the station.

K:Uh huh.


T:And then,


after it became IFAS,


why it was


um, now what do they


call him now?

K:I think they'd call him a vice-president now.....

T:Vice-president now, yes.

K:I don't think they'd call him a provost....

T:You know, I've gone through so many changes that.....

K:Really!!

T:Uh huh, until, in titles...

K:Uh huh. Uh huh. Let me ask you a little bit about uh the

student assistants, when you ....

T:Uh huh....

K:....first got them. How would one of those young men obtain a

job. Did, would it just be that he was likely a frequent

user of the library and he would come to Mrs. Cresap and ask

for a job? Or was there a student employment service

when...

T:Oh, no, not then, ....


K:Not them?












T:Not in the beginning, no.

K:Uh huh.

T:Um, just by someone hearing that we needed someone in the

library, they would come in. When I began work, we had one,

I started in December, and in January there was a young man


that came in


and just talked to Mrs. Cresap and she


him....

K:Uh huh.


T:And in a month or two, we had another youg man....


K:Do you have any idea how


much they paid them at that time?


T:About thirty cents an hour.

K:Uh huh.


T:Uh huh.


And do you know


um, in 1936 and 7, along there,


what was known


as uh, National Youth Association,


NYA funds?


K:Uh huh.


T:The students


then were paid


fifteen cents


an hour....


K:Really?

T:Uh huh.


Out of that


K:I see. Did um, along those lines, did this library, in any way,

have any connection with the Civilian Conservation Corps

during the Depression?

T:Um, not any, any special way that I can remember....

K:Uh huh.

T:It seems to me that there was some group that came and wanted

to make a list of some material in the library and I'm

sorry, I do not remember just what it was.


K:Uh huh.


hired


we had


fund.











T:It was federally


K:Uh huh.

T:...and they came in and made a list of our material and I do

not know what they did with it.

K:Uh huh. But for some kind of federal Project during...

T:Yes, Yes, it was.


K:....the Depression?


Okay.


T:It was


just more like a list of the periodicals.


K:Uh huh. Uh, you mentioned a little bit earlier that as you

acquired more help in the library, your duties uh, came to


center mainly on


cataloguing,


is that accurate?


T:Yes, yes.

K:By what time were you mostly involved in doing the cataloguing?

Just roughly.

T:About 19 and 54, 3, ....

K:Uh huh.

T:Somewhere like that....

K:Uh huh. As....


T:Mostly cataloguing


then...


K:Uh huh. As, as the library staff


expanded,


any idea of the uh, the kinds of skilled


acquired in order,


other words, when


could you give me

person that you

you started to get


more full-time help...

T:Um huh.

K:...did you start to get, say, a reference librarian person

first, or did you get uh, an acquisitions librarian person,

or were you interested in that kind of distinction?


funded












T:Yes, but we did not get uh, professional people.


K:Uh huh.


T:There was


not funds


for professional


K:Uh huh.

T:And uh, by that time, World War II and the veterans

families ....

K:..... Uh huh.

T:...had come back to school .....

K:Uh huh.


T:....and

K:T see.


so we had many student wives


that worked with


T:Uh, they were giving some training in the library as to how t

use our material and tools and so forth, and most of them

were college graduates.

K:Uh huh.

T:First we had acquired someone to stay at the circulation....

K:Uh huh.

T:...because by that time, the library was open at night and uh,


we kept a


full-time person at night as well as a student


assistant or maybe two student assistants.

K:Uh huh.

T:And then, we had the acquisitions, well the person that did the

buying, also did the um, the secretarial work for Mrs.

Cresap.

K:Uh huh.


T:So, we did rather become de,


you might say


departmentalized,....


people.


and


us.











K:Uh huh.


T:All together, but


um, for instance, Joan Lowe had charge of the


um, circulation, and we always look to her and then there


was um, Katherine, was in acquisitions, and she was


the one


that you went to for something there, and uh, this uh,

librarian, the uh, cataloguer that came, uh, Lillian and I

did the cataloguing.

K:Uh huh.

T:And so it was either one of us.


K:So it, it was really the uh, you and Mrs. Cresap,


as you


acquired people were departmentalizing them,

T:Yes.

K:but that they were not coming to you as professionally trained


librarians....

T:That's right. Yes.

K: ....in acquisitions


or whatever....


T:Yes, it was a long time, in fact it was..

uh, to IFAS, and to these buildings...

K:Uh huh.


T:and the first, um, well


..after we moved


now, now, the, the cataloguer that I


spoke of, Lillian,....

K:Uh huh.


T:....she was


a, a professional


librarian.


K:Uh huh.


T:And she had been


with us for some years....


K:Uh huh.


T:...five or six.....












K:What was her,


T:Lillian Urschel.

K:Urschel? How would you spell that?


T:U r s c h e 1.


Urschel. I'm leaving something out here.


K:Wou, would you like to go ahead and uh, and and talk about any

of those points?

T:Uh...

K:Because I was going to ask you when I got done to talk about


any of those....but there's


T:All right,


no reason we can't do it now....


no, I'll go on with this then.


K:Okay.


T:Um, after we moved into the new building, IFAS, Lillian Urschel

moved over with us, and my, we moved that library, which was


a job. And then she,


resigned, and after she resigned,


person that replaced her was Albert Strickland who is


the


now


the librarian.

K:I see.

T:Um, next, we didn't

until after Mrs.


have any other trained professional

Cresap retired.


K:I see.


T:I.....and I guess the next person, professional,


was Bill


Weaver, who is still reference librarian, wait a minute,

someone else came before Bill Weaver and his name was

McCloskie...

K:Uh huh.

T: .... and he was trained.


K:Un huh.


people


her name?











T:....and the Bill Weaver. And after uh, Alber Strickland and I


shared the cataloguing


He did most of the cataloguing for


the material that we acquired and I was going to the branch

stations and keeping up with their material.

K:Uh huh.

T:Um, and then we secured um, an acquisitions librarian and she's

still here...Anne King.

K:Uh huh.


T:In the meantime, Mrs.,


before that, Mrs.


Cresap had retired,


Mr. Strickland was Acting,

K:Uh huh.


T:Until Fleming Bennett....Mrs. Cresap retired in


1963, and


Fleming Bennett became our head librarian in 1964.

K:Un huh.


T:And then Albert Strickland


came back to his uh. duties in


cataloguing.


K:So most of these people you

in the 1960's or the....

T:Yes,

K:....1970's

T:Yes.


have just


referred


to came either


K:Uh huh. Uh huh. Could you tell us a little bit about the move

to the new library? I'm sure that must have been a very

challenging job.


T:Yes, it was.


But, by that time, the material was all


catalogued.


K:Uh huh.











T:We had, ....three, three stack levels.


K:Uh huh.

T:And we decided what material would be placed on each level...

K:Uh huh.

T:Well, all this material was on the second floor in Rolfs...and


so Mrs. Cresap talked to Mr. George Freeman who was


head of


a group of men that worked for the Agricultural


Station...

K:Uh huh.

T:Really, farm helpers,

K:Uh huh.

T:And they brought in orange crates...

K:Huh.

T:And there was one person that stayed


Experiment


with 'um, in the libr, in


the old library, and we showed them, book by book, which

put in an orange crate...

K:Uh huh. Huh.


T:And the orange crates were tagged by the next person,


like, we


began with one,,,....

K:Uh huh.

T:...and went right along. And they built a chute from the

landing on the second floor down to the truck....

K:heh heh heh...

T:Ha ha ha .... and the material was put down the chute and the

truck went then to the new building and we had two of our

regular uh, helpers over there with some student


assistants,...











K:Huh.

T:And uh they shelved the material. It was quite a hah ha ha..

K:It must have been something to see....

T:It really was. But you would be amazed how quickly it was

done. Because we worked very fast but still the material

was placed in its proper order ....

K:Uh huh.

T:...on the shelves....and one person had charge of moving the

card catalogue because by that time, there were many


thousands


of cards...


K:Uh huh.


T:And we had a new, ...cat, catalogue over there.


So um,


K:How long would you say the whole process


as moving


the collection?

T:About two weeks.


K:Two weeks?


Well, that's not bad.


T:No, it was remarkable. It was in October. Ha ha.


K:I, I assume you,


you had to shut down during that two-week


period.


T:We did.


Yes.


K:Uh huh.

T:Yes. But that was all.

K:No, that's not bad.


T:No. Then we opened right up..


I think maybe there was uh, uh,


maybe we didn't quite take two weeks because we moved in


completed,


I'd say,


on Wednesday, and on


Friday we, we asked


the, had open house for the libraries on campus...


took


as far











K:Uh huh.

T:...and then we opened on Monday.

K:Huh. Do you, excuse me, do you remember ever hearing Mrs.

Cresap talk about Cora Miltimore?

T:Yes.

K:...who had been the main librarian?

T:Yes, I knew her, too.

K:Oh, did you know her? Was she still here when you arrived?

T:Yes, yes.


K:Could you tell us something about her,


her personality and her


character?

T:Well, ....now my um, I don't know what to tell you here,....uh,


I didn't have uh,


really personal contact with her very


much...

K:Uh huh.

T:At one time,


between she and Mrs.


Cresap, there was


a rivalry,


a jealousy


you might say.


K:Uh huh.


T:And, and I can not tell you the,


the whys


of that because I


not know.

K:Uh huh.


T:Except uh,


some of the people in other colleges came to us and


we would borrow material for them, and they said they

received it so much quicker.

K:Ohhh.


T:And, I,

K:Uh huh.


evidently there was some jealousy in


that...











T:...way.


K:Uh huh.

T:But, uh, otherwise, they got along all right.


K:Uh huh. Did you ever hear Mrs.


Cresap say anything more a,


about her, about the way she ran the uh, main library or

anything.

T:No. No. No.

K:Uh huh.

T:So far as I knew, all right.

K:Uh huh.


T:Uh, evidently,


you know, back then,


as I guess always


libraries, there were growing pains, because you were

getting so much more material ....

K:Uh huh.

T:...then you had personnel to take care of and to classify and

to catalogue. I remember especially in the biology


department, that the, the uh,


men, cmae to Mrs. Cresap


K:Uh huh.

T: ....and asked her to, to secure material that they needed to,

um for research....

K:Uh huh.


T:...not to buy, but just


for a loan.


K:Uh huh. I've been told by more than one person that Miss

Miltimore was very strict about the use of the library.

Have you heard that sort of thing?


T:Yes. Yes.











K:Do you think Mrs. Cresap was more anxious to have people

actually get ahold of the material?

T:Yes. Uh, Mrs. Cresap always said she would like for the

shelves to be bare...

K:Uh huh.

T:She always wanted the material used...

K:Uh huh. And you, at some point, have heard, that Miss

Miltimore was a little bit more restrictive about...?

T:Yes, I hate to say, she didn't want the material used but, but

they wouldn't check the material out....

K:Uh huh.

T:And, students were not permitted to, the agricultural students,

now that's all I'm, ....

K:Sure.

T:....can speak for. But they were not, at that time.

K:Uh huh.

T:And after we began keeping the library open at night and

letting the agricultural students use the material, there

was some materials that they could check out.

K:Uh huh.

T:Now, if a professor had put the material on reserve, of course

they could not. Unless he said it might be checked out.

K:Uh huh. Was there any particular contact between the uh,

librarians in the main library and and you and Mrs. Cresap?

In other words, were your contacts more naturally with the


people in agriculture, or did you really have many











friendships with, with the people working in the main

library?

T:We, we had some friendships, yes, with the people in the main

library. Even before we began uh, this uh, they buying and

and do forth. We had some, some friends there.

K:Uh huh.

T:And uh, but we did not uh, I'm sorry I pause so, but I'm trying

to get my facts together...for you...

K:Uh huh.

T:We had contacts, and then after we began sending them cards for

the central catalogue....may I go back?

K:Surely.

T:And tell you that in,....there was a librarian, a Dr. Koolman,

that came to the lib, to the University of Florida and made

a survey of the libraries on the campus.

K:Uh huh.

T:And made a recommendation. And it was through his

recommendation that the main library became a central

library for uh, the cards ...

K:Uh huh.

T:...all over the campus.

K:Uh huh.

T:And after that time, we had more contact because um, the

catalogue department from the main library sent a few people

over to our library and with a typewriter, and they just sat

for days and copied our card catalogue.


K:I see.... uh huh.











T:So much of it.


K:So after that you, you had more frequent contact ....with....

T:Oh yes, yes. We had, and and uh, contact in calling back and

to or we could go over or something.

K:Uh huh.

T:And then, about then, is when um, the fund was in the, the

university library. And we sent them the cards for the


acquisitions of the books. And we had contact then,

pleasant contact with uh, the different departments.


see.


very


I've also been told that Miss Miltimore tried to be


very strict with the personal lives of the young women who

were working for her. Is that your impression?

T:I'm sorry, ...I could, have no idea about that?

K:You just don't.... Did you know Miss [Henrie May] Eddy? From

the library?

T:Yes, Yes.

K:What was she like? Or did you know her very well?

T:I didn't know her very well, but it seemed to me that she

changed things a little bit, that uh,....

K:Uh huh.

T:.....she wanted the material used more than had been before.

She was more, there seemed to be a, maybe a better contact

or uh, relationship, or working together,...

K:Uh huh.


T:...with Miss Eddy.


Of course Miss Eddy was only librarian a


short time....


K:She was killed in an accident, wasn't she?












T:In a plane accident, yes.


K:Someone told me that she was on her way to visit the Rolfs

family...

T:Yes, in Brazil....

K:Is that true?

T:Yes.


K:Uh huh. Did you


know Dean Rolfs at all?


T:Yes. Yes. Yes. They came back. See,


they, he


had been


of the agricultural college and then he went to Brazil.....

K:Uh huh.


T:...and

K:Uh huh.


uh, Dr. Wilmon Newell was our director then.


T:Well, after Dean


Rolfs came back to the United


States, he came


in to the library quite frequently and

K:Wha, what....

T:So I did know him.....

K:What sort of a person was he?


T:He was uh, very highly educated,


used the materials.


he was a very tall uh, man,


and you, one that you felt you could look up to.

ways, he was kind.

K:Uh huh.


T:But he, he


knew what he wanted, ....


K:Uh huh.


T:He knew how to ask


for it and uh,


he was very, very


K:How about Dean Newell? Could you tell us a little bit about


him?


dean


. .in


many


fine.











T:Yes. I never had much contact with Dr. Newell. Dr. Newell was

dean of the college. He was director of the Experiment


Station,


and he was head of the, uh, Plant Industry.


K:Uh huh.

T:All at the same time! So um, he was in his little office and

it was only the department heads really, that had contact

with him,....

K:Uh huh.


T:He was very


friendly, if you met him in the hall or anything


like that....


K:Uh huh. He, himself, did not have much


occasion


to use the


library?


T:No. No. He did not.


And you see, then, um, when


we had the


fruit fly infestation, he left the university and went to

Orland and had charge of that....eradication....

K:Uh huh.


T:Well, now,


that was


really before I


began work,


but he came


back after I had started work.


K:I'm going to stop


for a second and put a fresh


T:All right.


END OF TAPE A SIDE TWO.


uh, ...











K:Okay, I'd also like to ask you a little bit about Dean Hume and

uh, if he had uh, a supportive relationship with the

library, and what you thought of him.

T:Yes, Dean Hume had a very supportive attitude and uh, he was in

the library quite frequently....

K:Uh huh.

T:Dean Hume was a, a person that always seemed to have the most

wonderful memory....

K:Uh huh.


T:...because the, if


you asked him, if he


asked you where


certain place was,


or, or, we had large maps and maybe he


wanted something and you'd say, "oh, I don't remember,"

...."if you ever knew, you know now," he would say.


K:Heh heh heh ....


T:Anyway,


he had a very good relationship and he was in the


library. It ws un, during his administration that um, we

secured more funds....

K:Uh huh.

T:....for student, books, and I was telling you a little bit ago

about these window ledges....

K:Uh huh.


T:He came in one day when


Mrs. Cresap was


not in and told me he


wanted to put these window ledges in and I said, "Well, Dr.

Hume, I'll tell Mrs. Cresap." And he said, "Miss Tyson,

I'll put them in." Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

K:ha ha ah ha ha ha ha.


T:He had the authority,


of course,...











K:Uh huh.

T:But I always referred to Mrs. Cresap....


K:Oh, surely.


Uh huh. He sounds like a very decisive sort of


man....


T:He was,


very, he was very fine


He was very


good to work with...

K:Uh huh. Can you tell me anything about Dr.[Wilbur Leonidas]

Floyd? Or did you get to know him at all?

T:Yes. I knew Dr. Floyd. Now, I, I didn't know him so well but

he was the dean of the college and he did come into the

library quite often and he had, um, I don't remember why, I

I went to the office a number of times, something about

books, pertaining to books or magazines....

K:Uh huh.


T:And he was


always very pleasant, very kind man.


K:Uh huh.

T:One of the kindest that I have known.

K:Did, did he have much contact with students?


Are you aware of


th.....

T:Yes. Oh yes, he did.


K:Did he?

T:Yes, he did.

K:Uh huh.

T:As the students


came in,


they always


went, the agricultural


students, went to his uh, well it was uh, right all under

his jurisdiction.


K:Uh huh.


He, he uh,












T:And so he had quite a lot of contact with the students.

K:Uh huh. Did you know Thompson Van Hyning? The man who was the

director of the museum? At all?

T:Yes. Yes.

K:What sort of a character was he?

T:Dr. Van Hyning had served as part-time librarian before Mrs.

Cresap.

K:I see.


T:Half-time I


believe.


Half-time with the museum and half-time


with the agricultural library.

K:Uh huh.

T:And of course, the Experiment Station library.

K:Uh huh.


T:Um, yes, Dr.[Mr.]


Van Hyning um, came in


and and um,


consulted


with Mrs. Cresap quite often....and I didn't know him to

well.....

K:Uh huh.


T:He was very pleasant to just pass


the time but that's all that


I knew.....


K:Did, did she ever discuss,


in any way, the kinds of things that


he might have done with the library? I'm sure that there

wasn't much and that there wasn't much that he would have

done with it ....but....


T:No, there wasn't much that he cou,


I'm sure could have done,


except perhaps, uh, buy some few books and and get some

together as, .....


K:Uh huh.












Mrs. Cresap came, the library was


room...

K:Uh huh.


T:...in Newell Hall [Experiment Station Building].

K:Uh huh.

T:And after the horticultural building [Rolfs Hall] was erected,

then it was moved to the second floor.

K:I see.

T:And that's where Dr.[Mr.] Van Hyning was part-time librarian.

K:So it's your understanding that he was the, the part-time

librarian immediately before she ....

T:Yes.


K:There, there was nobody else that you know of in


between....


T:Not that I know of, no.

K:Uh....


T:She came in


1923.


K:Uh huh. I meant to ask you if there were certain parts of

library work that Mrs. Cresap preferred or enjoyed more than

others? Was there anything that she particularly enjoyed?


T:I think she uh,


especially enjoyed working with the ....the


branch stations, and that's something that I wanted to tell

you about...

K:Uh huh.

T:She organized after talking to the director, what we called a

library workshop.


K:Uh huh.


T:....because when


one











T:...for the branch stations. It began in Gainesville by uh,

or two members from each branch station and maybe a

secretary, coming to the meeting and it was known as a


library workshop,


and where we had a two-day meeting,...


K:Uh huh.

T:....discussing problems and how we could help the research

worker, how we could get the material to them best, ....

K:Uh huh.

T:...uh, see what they wanted.....and she uh named that the uh,

the "Bridge", to bridge the gap between the research worker

and the literature.

K:Uh huh.


T:And we had


a workshop every year,


from from the first


inception.

K:Uh huh.

T:Um, we did not


always have it in


Gainesville.


We went to


branch station....


K:Oh.


T:Um, maybe we went to north Florida, up at Quincy,


and people


from all over the state came...

K:Uh huh.


T:...and we held it in that uh,


branch station....


K:Uh huh.


T:...and that way, when


you see the, the needs of,


of north


Florida, you can better understand and know how

them.


K:Uh huh.


one


to help












T:....and uh, we went to uh, Homestead, to the subtropical


experiment station, we went to citrus,


uh, the different


stations all over the state.

K:So she really had two purposes in mind: to acquaint the people

in the field with the literature that was coming out and....

T:That's right.


K: .... also to

T:Yes. Yes.

K:Uh huh.


find how


she could better acquire material ....


T:Yes. And that, the beginning of that,


was when we began


to the branch stations, then, to catalogue their materials

K:I see.


T:Many, much of the material was in, well,

or another professor's office and um,


one professor's


office


um, Mr. Smith didn't


know what Mr. Jones had....

K:Uh huh.


T:And maybe Mr. Jones


then would buy a copy,


K:Uh huh.

T:...and need it too, ...

K:Right.


T:....and so when I went to the branch stations, then we'd pull

the material out of all the professors' offices and set it

up in one room.

K:Uh huh.

T:And if, they uh, uh, one of the professors or one of the


research workers,


because that's what they were there,


of the research workers needed a book all the time in his


going


one












office, there was still a record as to where that material

was.

K:Uh huh.


T:So if someone else needed to see it for

just go to his office and and see it.


K:At least he

T:Yes. Yes.

K:I see.


a few minutes, he could


knew of its existence anyway.


T:And that, that uh, was,


was, she enjoyed that very much.


Actually I would hate to say what Mrs.


Cresap enjoyed the


most because all


of it was,


she just lived it day and


night....

K:Uh huh.

T:....to get more


literature into the research workers'


hands...


K:Uh huh. What did she do


after she retired?


Did she keep


connection with the library?

T:Yes, but Mrs. Cresap had become very much involved with a

public library in Gainesville....

K:Oh... Uh huh.


T:And she'd been on the library board


for some


years,


and when


the library was built, which is, uh,


was before the present


one, ...

K:Uh huh.

T:She was very instrumental in in uh, helping that. And she did,

up until her death.


K:I see.


any












T:Uh, was still, I believe, still on the board of the library.


K:Uh huh. I see. I believe you mentioned, a while earlier,

she did have some input into the designing of the Hume


Library? Is


that right?


T:Yes, she did.

plans....

K:Uh huh.


Uh, she had uh, the plans, in fact,


T:But, those plans had to be altered.


You know,


she drew


in a library,


you have a certain formula that you plan so much material


for certain number of years.


Well, she started out with


room for twenty-five years, and every,


they'd say,


nearly every


year,


well, they didn't have enough funds.


K:Uh huh.


T:So, she'd


have to go,


re-do,....


K:Uh huh.


T:...the plans.


"Well, we'll have to uh, make this a little bit


smaller," and she did that either two or three times, and


the last time, um, they asked her to plan for ten


years....


K:Uh huh.


T:And she said


uh, "Well," she'd plan for ten years but she would


never touch it again. And so, she did plan,...

K:Uh huh.


T:....the library part.


Of course,


the auditorium she had no


nothing to do with that....

K:Uh huh.


T:She was


just told what space she would have and then she


planned within the space.


that












see.


T:Was she very pleased or, or disappointed do you know,


that the


building was on several level, levels, the library part, I

mean.?


T:It was all right,


the stack levels,


that was


just fine.


K:Un huh.

T:But, uh,


she was displeased with the way you have to get into


the library...

K:Uh huh.

T:Because in the beginning, people couldn't find


see, there was no entrance,


ground floor, and uh,


there was


no name anywhere....

K:Uh huh


T:...except right over the door into the auditorium,


there was


name.

K:Uh huh.


T:But only the people coming through McCarty Hall


could ever see


it. So she was displeased in that.


K:I don't blame her.


I had a small


criticism of the library that


way myself.

T:Uh huh.

K:That's all the prepared questions that I wanted to ask you.

Would you like to talk about any more of the points that

have there?

T:Yes. I wanted to go back and tell you that, one thing

especially,...


K:Uh huh.


us.


And uh,


you











T:...and they had a branch library in Atlanta


believe it was about 1951 or 2,


um, Congress had some of


the


branch libraries closed, or some, some, anyway, ....

K:Uh huh.

T:...this library was closed. And all of their material was

brought to um, was sent to our library, agricultural

library....

K:Ohhh.

T:And we absorbed it and put it in our collection and reclass,


catalogued it...

K:Uh huh.

T:And then serviced the uh

southeastern states.


forestry department over the

There was a fund set up by the U.S.


Department of Agriculture of several thousand dollars,

enough that we were able to have one full-time person and

uh, we had a, to take care of the circulation of this

material and they would send us from Washington, material to

be routed....

K:Uh huh.

T:...you would make a, a list and it would go to maybe a station

in uh, Louisiana, and they's send it to another station in,

and before it came back.

K:Uh huh.

T:And maybe there would be a dozen copies of one periodical and

then we kept one copy or maybe two copies in the library

permanently, ...


K:Uh huh.


for forestry. I












T:...of this


K:Uh huh.


T:And that was uh,


carried on


for oh, five or six years......


K:Uh huh.


T:Before there was not enough funds and uh,


we were not able to


continue it.


K:But the.... the material .

T:But the material remained.

K:Uh huh.


..you gained.....


T:Yes, and became a part of the agricultural


K:That must have been quite an


acquisition.


T:Yes, it was.

K:Uh huh.


T:It was.


They even sent some of their files


K:Huh.


T:...and uh, some typewriters,


some equipment....


K:Uh huh.

T:You see.


Are there any other points that you, you'd


like to um,


mention?

T:No. I believe that's the most um, that I had, um,....


K:I don't think I asked you if,


if your term of service at the


university was continuous between, between 1929 and and time

that you retired?

T:Yes. Yes.

K:Straight through.


T:Yes. I began in 1929....


library.


see.


material.












K:Quite a stretch...

T:And retired in 1970.


Yes. And I came in, as I said, as a


secretary.


And um, in 1957


I was made a member of the


faculty....

K:I see.

T:...given the faculty status.


K:Do you uh, get over there very much any more?

T:No. No. Not very much. But uh, real often, even until just

recently, Albert Strickland will call me and tell me things


that they're doing, and


ask if, "do you remember did we ever


have so and so?"

K:Uh huh.


T:You know, when you grow up with something


you, you remember it.


K:That's right.

T:And uh each book or each move, and he will call and say,

"someone told us that uh, we received such and such a


person's desk." "Did we?"

have that man's desk".

K:Uh huh.


T:I, I questions


I said,


"No


We didn't ever


that um,..


K:Uh huh.


T:....so he does still call


me.


K:That must be a nice feeling.


T:It is,

K:Uh huh.


it's very nice, yes it


T:I enjoyed my work. It was very,


very um,


strenuous


times, because I had been there so


and at


long, when we moved in to












uh, Hume Library, Mrs. Cresap had my office placed the first

office after you go through the reading room into, by the

circulation desk. So, anyone at circulation that want,


didn't understand or didn't know,


came and asked me,,, "Do


we have so and so,

know. ha ha ha

K:Ha ha ha.

T:Most of the time.

K:Uh huh.


where is


T:And there were many of the


it?"


,and I just knew,


faculty that um I


T don't


had helped over


the years that even though I only did cataloguing,


T was


supposed to do, they still came and asked me about certain

materials.


K:Well, I'd like to thank you very much and um,


once again,


we


will be sending a copy of this back to you, probably in

between six or eight weeks.....

T:Uh huh.


K:And if


you get a chance to go over it, we'd appreciate it.


T:All right, I'd be glad to. I um, I hope some way, this can be

pulled together and not rambled like I have because....um...


K:Well, I don't think that um........




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