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F: Let me just fix up everything here.

F: O.K. Where are you from ?

E: West Palm Beach.

F: Where did you go to school ?

E: Oh...Roosevelt High School.

F: Is that a black school ?

E: Yeah. All black.

F: All black. Could you...

E: Except.for the faculty.

F: Is it an integrated faculty ?

E: Yeah. It's about...half, I guess fifty-fifty. Maybe sixty-forty...in

favor of whites.

F: I see. Could you have gone to a white school ?

E: Yeah.

F: Why didn't you go ?

E: Well I...I would...for one reason, I guess I didn't live close enough.

F: Uh huh.

E: And if I had gone to a white school, it would have been sort of out of my

way. And...I wasn't really interested in going to a white school.

F: When you graduate...were you a good student ?

E: Yeah, I graduated about third in my class.

F: Third ?

E: Yeah.

F: Out of how many ?

E: A hundred and fifty-six.

F: Well, that's really good. When you graduated, did you consider going

anywhere else ?



E: Where...

F: To college.

E: To college ?

F: Um huh.

E: Yeah, like...I had applied for Fisk, Morehouse, and Marr unt Junior

College, in Boca Raton.

F: Um huh.

E: And I had applied to Emory University. And, you know, they said my grades

weren't good enough. At least, I mean, my scores on the SAT weren't good

enough, you know for, you know, to get into Emory.

F: Um huh.

E: So tfni rsntl it Emory Oxford...

F: Um huh.

E: They was giving me a scholarship, but, you know, I changed my mind about

it because, you know, I didn't know anybody, and I didn't have any friends

there, so I just...

F: Were you accepted at Fisk, and Morehouse ?

E: Yeah. Not Morehouse, I mean Spellman.

F: You said Morehouse.

E: Well I don't mean Morehouse, I mean Spellman. Morehouse is a boys


F: Oh, I didn't know that.

E: Um huh. It was Spellman.

F: Well, why did you come to the University of Florida ?

E: Well...like, I got a scholarship from Mar yount, you know, full

scholarship, and I was going there until, about...I guess about a month

before school started in August



E: And two students from the University of Florida came to Mardrunt,

you know, because I was on a program, they came to Mar fount to recruit.

F: Um huh.

E: And so they told me a lot about this school, and, you know, I wasn't really

set on going to Marry Jount anyway, because it's a Catholic School, all

girl, and you know...

F: Is it black ?

E: No.

F: Um huh.

E: Mostly all white.

F: Um huh.
E: So...I wasn't too set on going anyway, so at the last moment I changed,

and you know, I signed up for the University of Florida. Filled out the

application, and I was accepted. And...so I just came up.

F: Had you considered the University of Florida in the beginning ?

E: Uh...no.

F: Why is that ?

E: I mean, like I wasn't really interested. I wanted...I wanted to go to

Florida State...

F: Um huh.

E: I had considered Florida State, but not the University of Florida.

F: Why is that ?

E: Well, like I hadn't heard anything about the University of Florida, because

I didn't know any, you know, black people, like, you know, who'd come here


F: Um huh.



E: So I didn't...I guess all that I knew about University of Florida, you

know, that it existed.

F: Um huh.

E: Like, you know, I didn't know anything about the campus, or anything.

F: How did you hear about FSU ?

E: Umh...I had some friends going there, and a lot of the people in my class

were going to Florida State.

F: Um huh.

E: So...

F: Excuse me...o.k. go ahead. ,

E: Oh, what were we talking about ? Oh yeah, now I remember... friends were

going to Florida State, and so that's how I heard about Florida State.

And like, I ruled out Florida A.&M. right away, because, you know, I just

felt like if I went to an all, you know, an alllblack school again, you

know, I really wouldn't, you know, get my work or anything. I would think

about social life more, especially in college, you know, the first time away

from home, and so I guess that's mainly the reason I chose, you know, a

white school, you know, a predominantly white school.

F: Do you think you get a better education here ?

E: Umh...not really.

F: Well, say that again.

E: I mean like, at FAMU I, you know, I would have been thinking more about

the social life...

F: Um huh.

E: And I wouldn't, you know, be paying, you know, too much attention to my

studies. But here, you know, there's not much social life, and like, you

don't have much choice, you know, but to study, you know...




F: Um huh.

E: Like, there's so few, you know, blacks on campus, that you can't, you know,

party too much at all, so you just study. You do enough to get by, you're

doing all right.

F: So how have things been since you've been here ?

E: What, gradewise ?

F: O.K.

E: Uh...Well, like the first quarter, I did...I don't know, I got a 2.0,

which wasn't very good, but, you know, I thought it was good, considering,

you know, that I had to get adjusted, and all this, you know, and, you know,

and especially to the, you know, big change, you know, from all black, you

know, to almost all white. And you know, not being able to be around any

blacks, you know, that much. Because when I first got here, I didn't, you

know, I wasn't in contact with many of the blacks, you know...

F: Um huh.

E: And so, you know, like there was a change, and so when I got a 2.0, you

know, I felt, you know, sort of good. And second quarter, I did improve.

I got about a 2.3, or 2.4, or something like that.

F: Um huh.

E: And...that still wasn't too good, I mean, it's not, you know, as good as

I think I can do. But I guess a lot of it was due to a lot of problems, and


F: What kind of problems and pressures ?

E: I mean, like I had problems, like, the first quarter, and the beginning

of the second, with my roommate. She's, you know, she's a white, and

she's from South Catolina, and like, we don't get along.




F: Well, are you still rooming with her ?

E: No.

F: What happened with that ?

E: Uh, well...I just couldn't take it any more, so I just moved out. Like,

she was sort of, you know, real talkative, and like she's an only child,

and she sort of figures, you know, like people should always listen to

what she, you know has to say. And she would just go on, and on, and on.

And like, I could never study, you know, in the room, and like, I can't

study in the library, you know, anyway, in anyplace that's real quiet.

You know, I can't study. And so, you know, I would always have to try to

study in my room, but I couldn't because of her. And so, you know, I got

in a habit of, you know, going in the hall. I would, you know, wait 'til

late at night, and you know, sit in the hall and study. And that's the

only thing...

F: You sit in the hall and study ?

E: Yeah, in the hall way.

Ft Why didn't you go in the study lounge ?

E: I can't study in a study, you know, like just the place, you know, for

study, I can't study.

F: Um huh.

E: And you know, I have to...somewhere where it's sort of casual. I guess

that's where I can study better. And now, I have the habit, you know,

every time I get ready to study, I always go in the hall. You know, in

the hallway to study.

F: Is there a place to sit ?

E: Yeah...on the floor.



F: Is it light enough ?

E: Yeah, I sit under the light. So...I guess in general, I just didn't like

her attitude.

F: How---who moved out ? Did you move out, or did she move out ?

E? Yeah, I moved out. Because...I don't know, she more or less sort of...

feel that she was liberal, but...you know, like they said in the book,

in Crisis in Black and White, you know, about people being phony. And like,

she wasn't, you know, really, you could tell she wasn't really what she, you

know, what she thought she was. And like, you know, some sly things she

would do...

F: Like what ?

E: You know, like...o.k., we, we used to uh, you know, go grocery shopping

together. You know, because we would cook, because the kitchen was right

down, you know, from our room. And like, well,.we bought things, you know,

we bought them separate, but you know, she would always put her name on her

salt You know, like if I used some of her salt', I would contaminate it,

or something, you know. And you know, it sort of, I don't know, sort of

got to me. Like, you know, I figured if I wanted some salt :, or she

wanted some salt., you know, you just go pick up a box of salt. You know,
(oi v do
ngw you have to lable everything, you know.

F: Um huh.

E: And that remin---you know, reminded me of...having to use the labled

water fountains, you know...

F: Black and white ?

E: White...Yeah...colored...

F: White and colored.



E: ...Yeah, and stuff like that, you know. See, she had to label her salt,

and you know, stuff like that. And so, that's when I sort of felt, you

know, that she wasn't for real. And I just couldn't put up with it. And

plus, I had a lot of problems because...I don't know why, but...maybe she

thought, I mean maybe she had this idea, that all blacks are supposed to be

messy. You know, maybe she got that from somewhere. Well it, you know,

she was sort of real messy, you know, and like, you know, I can't stand,

you know, for my room to be messed up, and all that. You know, I like,

you know, stuff to be clean, and especially when I'm studying, you know,

I can't stand, you know, makes me feel like the walls closing in on, you

know, on me, or something like that, you know. And so, I would always clean

up the room, and all this, and she would come back, and you know, throw

stuff around, and all that.

F: Did you talk to her about it ?

E: Yeah.

F: What did she say ?

E: She said she would try, and stuff like that, but she never did. And a

few of her other friends, you know, all of us got together, and talked to

her, but it didn't do any good.

F: Um huh.

E: And like I told her, you know, I just couldn't take it anymore, and I was

just moving.

F: Um huh. What did she say ?

E: Oh, like she asked me to stay, and all this you know. She said she didn't

want to be alone...but I told her, you know, I had given her a chance, you

know, I you know, like I warned her about two or three times before I ...



E: ... moved, and so, I just left.

F: Do you still see her ?

E: Yeah, once in awhile.

F: Are you friendly with her ?

E: Yeah, we're reallfriendly. Like I've been over to spend a couple of


F: Over where ?

E: You know, back to my old room.

F: Oh, I see.

E: I've spent the weekend over there about twice, you know, stayed over there

about twice.

F: Get along with your roommate now ?

E: Yeah, naturally.

F: How's social life on this campus ?

E: Huuu...well, I don't think I could answer that...you know, truthfully.

because like...I don't participate.

F: Why is that ?

E: I mean, like, I have one person, you know, who I am stuck on, and I spend

most of my time with him.

F: Is he on campus ?

E: Yeah, and see, and that's why, you know, like, when they have parties,

and different, you know, different things I don't go that much.

F: Um huh. Why don't you go with him ?

E: Well, he doesn't like to go...that much. So, since he doesn't go, I don't


F: Um huh. What do you do ?



E: Well, let me think...well, like we go to movies, talk, walk around,

things like that.

F: Um huh.

E: And once in awhile we go to parties, football games, you know, stuff like


F: Even though, you know, you don't participate yourself, you know you come

in contact with people that do. What do you think the general, let's, even

if you were going with this guy. What's his name ?

E: Warren.

F: W n ? Waren what ?

E: Jones.

F: Did he send in a questionnaire ?

E: No.

F: O.K. Even if, let's say if you weren't going with Waren, and you know,

would you be pretty satisfied with the kinds of things there are to do

here ?

E: I think so. I mean like, it's not as bad as when you first get upi here.

You know like, when I first got up here, like I just thought, you know,

they didn't have anytsocial life. I guess because, you know, the black

students weren't together, and like you didn't know any whites, you know.

F: Um huh.

E: And you don't really have any white friends, and so at first, you know,

you get the impression, you know, that you don't have anything to do.

But after you start getting settled, and everything, and you know, people

start having parties, I mean, like it's no different, you know, I guess

than when I'm home. Like, you know, if I go home...I always miss school.



E: You know, I, I'll be ready to come back, and everything, you know.

Because when I go home, it seems dead to me.

F: Oh, really ?

E: Yeah. I--it, you know, and so I guess...that's an indication that...heh,

I guess I'm having more fun up here, than I am at home...

F: Um huh.

E: More than I would have at home. So it's not really that bad. I think it's,

it's just, I think it's what you make it. And like, even though we don't

have that many black students, you know, we manage to have a good time.

F: How do you think---get along with most students here ?

E: Who, me ?

F: Um huh.
jgstf or
E: lri53m white ?

F: Both.

E: Both ? Well, I don't get along...with black students.

F: You don't ?

E: No.

F: Why ?

E: I don't know, I...I guess the majority of them I don't like them. I---

F: Why is that ?

E: I don't like their attitudes. Like, most of the girls, I don't know,

but I guess since...you know, there's not that many black males at the


F: Um huh.

E: ...And, you know, I mean, more males up here come to them, and you know,

since the males don't have, you know, a choice of girls to pick, you know,

they're sort of, I don't know, sort of high-minded.




E: Like, I don't know, it's...sometimes they get their little ways, like they

don't want to speak to you, you know, and all kind of stuff like that.

And so I just, you know, rather not bother. Because, you know, to me,

they're acting funny. You know, not for real, so I just don't bother with

them. Like I speak to them...

F: Um huh.

E: You know, and act nice, but, you know, but just to stop and, you know, go

to their rooms and have a conversation with them, you know, hang around

with them, I just don't do that. But I just don't deliberately go out my

way, you know, act nastyato them, or you know, not speak to them.

F: Um huh.

E: But...I just don't get along. But...the whites on campus...like I have

a few white friends, you know, who I feel I can really call friends, and

to me...they're no different than anybody else. I get along with them.

All in all I guess...

F: Pardon me ?

E: I say, all in all I guess, you know, it's just average. I mean, there's

no differencetFto me.

F: How do you get along with most white students ?

E: Most...well most, like I said, I get along with most of them.

F: Um huh.

E: I mean like, I consider some, you know, a lot of them my real friends,

you know. And I don't think...at least I don't consider the majority of

them prejudiced, or anything.

F: Um huh. The majority of people on this campus ?

E: Yeah. I mean, that are...of, I'll say, my friends.



F: Um huh.

E: But, I won't say the majority of the students on campus.

F: How do you...how do you feel, let's say, with the majority ?

E: Of the students ?

F: Um huh .

E: Well...I guess I won't feel at ease with the majority of the students.

You know, the whole student body as a whole. Because like, I don't think

they show any real out-and -out prejudice, but they're sort of, you know,

I guess aloof, you know, from you. Like, they won't...go out of their way,

you know, to avoid you, but they won't, you know, go out of their way, you

know, to try, and you know, speak to you either. You know, they just sort

of, I don't know, they're sort of inbetween.

F: Um huh.

E: I mean, they just have,-sort 'oflike, a attitude. I guess they say,

I guess they feel like...you know, that we are here, and you know, they

realize that fact, that we're here, but you know, just, you know, they

don't have to recognize us as a person, you know, to get, you know, to

really know you.

F: Well, do you go out of your way to betf~iehdly to them ?

E: Sure.

F: You do ?

E: Yeah.

F: Like, what kind of things do you do ?

E: I mean like...a lot of, you know, a lot of them have invited me to different,

you know, to parties and stuff...

F: Um huh.



E: ...And, you know, to go places with them. You know, like I always go, you

know, I try to be nice with them, and I say well maybe they'll try, and

you know, find out, you know, more about blacks, and how you think, and

stuff like that, you know, so I'll go out with them. And a lot of them,

you know, they come and ask me questions about, you know, blacks. You

know, things, you know that they say they want to know for a long time,

but you know, they were sort of afraid to ask.

F: Um huh.

E: And like, you know, I talk to them, and you know, if I can, you know, I

tell them what I know, and the way I feel.

F: What about in the classroom Edwina...how, you know, what kind of...do you

get any kind of feelings about being a black person in the classrooms

heie ?

E: Yeah. Like I get....huh...for one thing, I have strong feelings. Like I

get upset a lot of times...about class, you know, about classroom


F: Like what ?

E: I don't know, it's just the way...people...think.

F: Um huh.

E: Well it jus---you know, it just surprises me, you know, but, you know,

it just, you know, think that some people think that way. You know, about

certain things, and it just surprises me, and sometimes it makes me, you

know, get upset.

F: Do you speak up ?

E: What ? Ummm...not much. Like I guess your class is probably the only class,

you know, that I really speak, you know, in. And my...I don't really have

any other classes, you know, that we discuss anything, you know, anything




E: comes up about the black-white relationship.

F: Um huh. How've you been...umh...getting along with your instructors ?

E: Oh...I think I've had some pretty good instructors. I can really say,

you know, that they treated me, you know, like a person.

F: Um huh.

E: And not, you know, like I was, you know, like a black person, you know,

thought I---thought about that first, anything like that. They just

treated me like, you know, a student. Like, you know, they would treat

any student.

F: Um huh. Can you remember any time where you felt that you were treated

differently because you were black ?

E: Nope. No.

F: Have you had any contact with any people in the administration ?

E: Umh...no, not close contact...if you're talking about O'ConnelL..uhh...

not any close contact.

F: Are you getting Financial Aid here ?

E: Yeah.

F: What kind ?

E: Now, I'm getting...National Defense Loan...

F: Um huh.

E: Umh...E.O.G. Grant.

F: Both ? So how much does that come to ?

E: About twenty-one.

F: Twenty-one hundred ?

E: Yeah---

F: For three quarters ?



E: Yeah.

F: Are you in any extra-carricular activities ?

E: I guess you can call like the Black Student Union ?

F: Anything Else ?

E: No.

F: How come ?

Er Uh...I don't know, like...I wouldn't want to be in a sorority or anything

like that.

F: Um huh.

E: That's just not for me. And...the other clubs on campus...I guess I'm

just not interested.

F: What are you majoring in ?

E: Right now, Medical Technology.

F: Umh... There's, like a club for people in that, isn't there ?

E: I don't think so.

F: Yeah, I think there is. Would you be interested in joining something

like that ?

E: Not now. I mean, not, you know, not my first two years.

F: Um huh.

E: I mean, like, I figure the first two years,-I don't want to be in any

clubs anyway, but maybe, you know, when I get to be a junior, senior, then

maybe, you know, I'll be more sure of my, you know, my goal. And then

maybe, I'll probably get in some clubs and organizations then, but not now.

F: Were you active in extra-carriculars in high school ?

E: Yeah...well, most of them. A lot, do you want me to tell them ?

F: O.K.



E: Umh...well, I was vice-president of the National Honor Society. Ha! Ha!

That's a laugh...

F: Why is that so funny ?

E: Huh ? I don't know. Like I...I think I...you know, I was sort of


F: Why? ?

I guess that's why...-weTL ;r uta-or -att joint the clubs. Because like,

I thought it was so much...but after you get in, you find out they don't

really do anything.

F: Umh.

E: You know, so...maybe it was just our high school club or something like that.

Maybe that's the reason. Like I was a member of the Para-Meds, you know...

F: Um huh.

E: And that was sort of the Medical Club in our school. And you know, since

I was interested in that field, you know, I was a member of it. And I

really liked that club, because we went O*W on field trips, you know, to

different hospitals and everything. And we had a chance to work as...you

know, volunteer, you know, nurses and stuff like that...

F: Um huh.

E: Nurses aids. And I was a member of our school patrol and everything...

F: If you were a member of all of those...then why aren't you interested

in becoming something like that here ?

E: Like...I don't know...I'm just not interested.

F: What do you think is different ? /

E: I don't know. I guess maybe it's.'.th e people who are in them. Maybe.
F: What do yu mean ?
F: What do you mean ?


E: Well...maybe...I just say that, and maybe the real reason is because, you

know, maybe it's mostly all the clubs, you know, are probably made up of the

white people. And maybe I wouldn't feel at ease in them. That might be

one of the reasons. Another reason, I just...really, I just don't want

to be in any clubs, you know.

F: Um huh.

E: I mean like now...you know, I just feel I'm not myself anyway. Because like

in high school, you know, I just study, study, studied, you know. And if I

got less than a p' or something, that is, you know, I was all mad, you

know, fired up. But up here, you know, I just...now I have the attitude,

you know, that grades are not that important.

F: How did you get that attitude ?

E: I don't know. I guess maybe it's just because...well, I got it when I grad-

uated. I said, "Wow!" You know, "I finally graduated." You know I

said, "Now comes the easy part." Then, you know, to jump right out of

high school, and then right back into it, you know, the same thing, you

know, like, I guess my mind just wasn't ready for it...

F: Um huh.
E: And so I just a attitude, like, you know---

F: Are you planning on finishing school ?

E: Yeah.

F: Here ?

E: Huuu...it's hard to say. Maybe.

F: Have you considered going elsewhere ?

E: No...not yet.



F: What year is uh...your boyfriend then ?

E: He's a freshman too.

F: Are you active in BSU ?

E: No.

F: Why not ?

E: Umh...I guess because...I don't like the way it's set up. I mean, like,

you have too many people want to be boss. You know, who want to run every-


F: Um huh.

E: ...and tell you what to do, and stuff like that. So...and we have a lot of,

you know, conflict, among themselves.

F: Like what kind of conflict ?

E: I don't know, like they're always arguing about somebody's not doing a

job and stuff like that, you know. But they won't go about in the right

way, you know, of getting rid of people. You know---

F: Getting rid of people ?

E: I mean---getting---putting them out of office...

F: Um huh.

E: ...and stuff like that. Like, you know, when we first got it, they drew

up this constitution and stuff...

F: Um huh.

E: And we, all of us voted on it, you know, and they had all these different

clauses in there about...what would happen if somebody didn't perform his

job, and the next thing I knew...the people who were elected, all of them

were thrown out of office, and'iwe didn't know anything about it. You know,

and so I just...



F: Who threw them out ?

E: I don't know.

F: Well, didn't people get upset, that they changed the people ?

E: Yeah, a lot of people got upset, but---

F: Well, how come you didn't find out then ?

E: Why not ? Like, I just took the attitude of, you know, I just didn't

want to be bothered anymore, you know, and so if they ask me to do anything,

you know, I'm willing to help out, or anything like that, but just to be

active. You know ?

F: What kind of things would you like to see the BSU doing at the moment ?

E: Well, like at first, they had a lot of good ideas about, you know, helping

people, you know, in their school work...

F: Um huh.

E: And you know, helping, you know, new students that came in you know,

help them adjust, you know, to the school, and stuff like that. And if

they had done a lot of these things, you know, in an organized way, I, you

know, I feel, you know, they're a good organization. But like, they still

try to do things, but they don't really, you know, you know, won't be

organized, or anything like that. And you know, alot of times a lot of

things, you know, fall through because, you know, they're not together,

because they have, you know, so many people disagreeing, you know, to

really do something. Like I think there're a lot of good ideas, and you know,

about what we want to do. Like they decided to have a breakfast...

F: Um huh.

E: ...you know, a breakfast program, you know, for all the, you know,

underprivileged, you know, kids in Gainesville, helping out at the

Boy's Club, and stuff like that. But they just, I don't know, they just




E: aren't together. And another big problem, money, they don't have any

money, and that's a big problem. I think that's the biggest problem.

Because whenever they want to do something, they don't really have the money

to do it.

F: Um huh. What kind of changes would you like to see here ?

E: Where, at school ?

F: Um huh.

E: Uhhh...naturally, more black students.

F: How do you think that would change things ?

E: Well, if more black students would be at the school, I think that would

make...I don't know, I guess then the, the white kids, you know, at

school, would have to, you know, come in contact with them, because they

couldn't avoid, ibut now, since we don't have that many blacks on campus,

you know, like they can go for a whole week, you know, without seeing a

black, you know...

F: Um huh.

E: ...unless they really, you know, have them in the dorm, or something like

that. And you know, like, they don't really have any contact. They can't

say, you know, that they have any contact with them. And like, a lot of

them, they don't even have a black in every class, and stuff like that, you

know. And I feel...if they have more blacks on campus, that, you know,

they would have to come in contact with them, and then maybe that would

sort of...better understanding, you know, between the whites and the


F: Um huh. What about, uh, black teachers, do you think there's a need for

more black teachers ?

E: Yeah.



F: Why ?

E: Well...like, uh, all these years...have white teachers.

F: Well haven't you had mainly black teachers ?

E: Me ?

F: Yeah.

E: Yeah, but I think they need a change. Just like I thought I needed a

change, you know, when I first started, you know, integrating our

faculty. You know, there we got a chance to see how black teachers taught,

and like, that's the way I feel about the whites. I mean, I feel why should

we always, you know, be the ones to always, you know, experience, you know,


F: Um huh.

E: I figure that, you know, they should, you know, be learning something

from it too. But, you know, everything's always pushed down our throats,

you know, like when they say integrate, you know, they mean close black

schools, you know, and send the blacks to white schools. And...I think

that's wrong. I think they should be, you know, on both parts.

F: Um huh.

E: It's like here, I feel they should have black faculty members.

F: Do you think it would help black students ?

E: Oh...yeah. Because then they would have, you know, I think they would

have something to be proud of. You know, black teachers, you know, in

white schools.

F: Um huh. Can you think of any other changes you would like to see

happen here ?



E: Yeah, more black administrators.

F: You would ?

E: Yeah.

F: Why is that important ?

E: I mean like, the only reason I see, that they gave Roy Mitchell a job...

F: Um huh.

E: ...was because, you know, HEW was on their backs, and you know, they knew

that if they didn't get some blacks here, you know, that they wouldn't have

the money that HEW, I mean, you know, they wouldn't be getting, you know,

money for school. And I just feel, you know, that he doesn't really have

a position, because he has too much to do, and you know, like, they're

just...they're just fooling the man. Like I just went in andttalked.to

him about the job. He said they told him so much about what he was going

to have, and you know, some of his duties, and stuff like that, but after

he got it, I'm sure he found out a lot...like, you know, he didn't even

have a secretary for awhile, you know, and all---most of the---all the

black students, you know, all of us would go by, and you know, volunteer our

service, you know, and help him opfind stuff like that.

F: Um huh.

E: Typing stuff down, and like, you know, well, he went recruiting and stuff

like that, he didn't have any money, you know to recruit, and th---he

would always try to take, you know, students from the high school he was

going to, you know, to sort of talk to the istudents...

F: Um huh. Um huh.

E: And if you went...you had to pay your own way, you know, and your own

food, you know, stuff like that. So, like, you know, a lot of students

did go with him and sacrifice, you know, their time, and you know, to try




E: to get more black students, you know, to come up here to the University

of Florida.

F: Um huh.

E: And really, a lot of them, when they go off, you know, they sort of

exagerate about, you know, the school, you know, to get more blacks to

come here. Because, I don't think a lot of them feel that way, to really

tell other people.

F: What do they tell the other people ?

E: You know, they tell, you know, tell other people about the school's so

great, you know, and all this, you know, and try to get them to come here.

Because I guess that's what I did too when I went home. You know, I told

them that the school is...it was a good school, and that if they came up

here, you know, the social lif. was all right...

F: Um huh.

E: And they would have fun, you know.

F: Did you go recruiting ?

E: Uh, no.

F: Well this is just when you were at home ?

E: Yeah, when Iwent home. To talk to some people...in my high school. And

so, like, you know, O'Connell made a remark that we weren't doing anything,

but I think, the black students, they're doing a lot. You know, because

we could go back and, you know, say things like...the institution is

racist, and all this stuff like that. Even though we holler it, you know,

when we're in school, and say things, but I think a majority of the students

when they go home, they say, you know, good things about the school.

F: How do you know that ?



E: What about, that they say good things ?

F: Yeah, uh huh.

E: Well, like...oh...well I could say for my high school. O.k., there's four

people up here from my high school...

F: Um huh.

E: And like, this coming, I mean this summer, about eight oT my high school

will be up here. Because, like, not only did I do it, but the other four

people did the same thing.

F: Who else is from your school ?

E: Uh...Thomasina, and David Freeman, and Larry Fields.

F: Um huh.

E: And they went back, and you know, say good things about the school too.

And like, a lot of people are transferring from other schools to come here


F: Oh, I see.

E: In September. And so that's---

F: From where, Do you know ?

E: Uh...well, a friend of mine, she's transferring from tni=am Cookman.

F: Um huh. And you think that's a result of people going and telling them.

E: Yeah.

F: And that's actually the reasonyo came here isn't it ?

E: And that's the---yeah.

F: Because you heard people tell you that.

E: And it's the same with the other students too. Like, you know, a lot of

their friends will come here too, and they'll come because, you know, they

---they told them about it. You know, they sort of gave them a good image

of it, you know, the University of Florida.




F: Um huh. Can you think of anything else...that you would like to see here ?

E: Umh...I don't know. Maybe some of the classes...you know, some more black,

you know, classes. I mean really good black classes, nothing that they

just throw together at the last minute, you know, to try to, you know,

please black students.

F: Um huh.

E: You know, something...you know...

F: Have you had any Black Studies courses ?

E: Yeah.

F: Which ones ?

E: Like I've had...I've only had a Black Lfttrature class.

F: Um huh. Who teaches that ?

E: Uh, Dr. Harvey, head of the English Department, and a Miss Wme, she has

a PhD. in English, I think. Something like that.

F: Um huh.

E: And...like I don't really think it was a good class. Like, it was for

blacks only...

F: Um huh.

E: And I don't think that's right.

F: You think it ought to be mixed ?

E: Yeah. Because, you know, I figure the white people can learn a lot too.

Why should we just, you know, sit...

F: Could whites register for that class ?

E: No.

F: You know that for a fact ?

E: Yeah. Because they: registered, and he made all of them drop. They came in,

and you know, a lot of them went to talk to him---



F: Why did he do that ?

E: He said it was just restricted to blacks.

F: Um huh.

E: And like, I don't think that's right. Because why should we sit back, and

you know, read about James Bnrd, and, you know, and Richard eight, and we

all ready know, even though we might not know enough about them, we know

something, but at least, you know, the white people, they don't know, they

don't even know they exist. And so, I think it would probably benefit them)

'uou ow, just as much as it would us. And so I figure they should, you

know, let them in. And like, I've heard of the Afro-American Studies Class,

and it's black ,d white.

F: Um huh.

E: I don't know too much about the class though.


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