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PAGE: ONE SUBJECT: HENRY WARNER BLACK 6A

INTERVIEWER: FREDRICK SHENKMAN



F: Student, Henry Warner. Henry is presently a freshman.

F: Where are you from ?

H: Hollywood.

F: Would you move up a little closer please ? Hollywood ?

H: Yeah, Hollywood Florida.

F: Where did you go to school ?

H: Hollywood Hills High.

F: Is that a predominantly black school, or predom...?

H: No, it's uh, integrated, predominantly white.

F: Um huh. I see. Did you go there all through high school ?

H: Yeah.

F: Did you have a choice to go someplace else ?

H: No.

F: But...in other words, there was only that one school to go to ?

H: Yeah. Well, there was a, I went to a black high school from seventh grade

through ninth grade...

F: Um huh.

H: And when I got in tenth grade they phased that tenth grade into the night

high school, and we had to go the...they started this new white school, and

from the beginning it was white and black, but it was a lot more white.

F: What year are you in ? Here.

H: What year am I in ?

F: Um huh.

H: This is my first year, the second quarter.

F: I see. Do you have a major ?

H: Yes, Law.

F: Pre-Law ?

H: Um huh.






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F: When you graduated from umh...high school where else had you thought of

going ?

H: I didn't exactly graduate.

F: O.K. explain that.

H: Well, I dropped out of high school, and I went to a high school equivalency

program at the University of South Florida, and after I graduated from that

program they sent me here.

F: Um huh. When did you grad---drop out of high school ?

H: In the...early part of, no it was around the end---around April of '69.

F: Was that your last year ?

H: Um huh.

F: Why did you drop out ?

H: Got tired of going.

F: And then you must have been going right away at South Florida.

H: Huh ?

F: Did you...how long of a period was it before you dropped out, and then you

started down at South Florida ?

H: Well I dropped out in Suzt April...

F: Um huh.

H: And I started back in September, and I went for about two weeks...Then I

dropped out again, and I started in uh...at South Florida, uh, in october,

October the first I believe.

F: Why did you drop out of school, and then go back to school right away ?

H: I don't know. I jyt wanted to finish, and I went back and got tired of it

again, so I left again.

F: You left South Florida ?

H: No, not South Florida.

F: Oh, you're talking about...yeah...how was it at South Florida ?

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H: Uh, a lot better than it is here.

F: Why is that ?

H: Well, the atmosphere is more friendlier and everything, and umh, I don't

know, I---and the campus is the smaller of the two, and you have, you know

more people.

F: Um huh.

H: And you see each other more often at night.

F: Could you have continued at South Florida ?

H: Yeah.

F: Why did you decide to come here ?

H: I didn't, they just took the four best people in the program, and sent us

here.

F: Did---you didn't have a choice ?

H: Well if I, probably if I would've told them I didn't want to come, I

wouldn't of had to come, but I didn't, I didn't see, I didn't know uh,

about Florida at the time.

F: Um huh.

H: An...

F: Did certain people in the program stay at South Florida, and start college

there ?

H: Well uh, yeah. It was some that went to South Florida, some are going to

South Florida now.

F: Um huh.

H: From the program.

F: You say, while you were at South Florida you really hadn't heard very much

about the University of Florida ?

H: No.

F: Nothing at all ?

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H: Uh...well I knew of, that, from what I read that it was supposed to be one

of the hardest academic colleges in the ftate, and that's all...that you had

to have uh, had to have to make 350 on the Senior placement to get in, and

that was about all. I never did give it too much thought about going to

college anyway.

F: Um huh. What made you change your mind ?

H: I don't know. I guess, uh, I changed my mind while I was in the program,

to get the high school diploma, and see while I was in high school I had

two scholarships anyway.

F: What kind of scholarships ?

H: Uh, academic...yeah, academic. One to Biscayne, in Miami, and one to

Broward Junior College.

F: You mean...that would have given you scholarships to go to college at those

places ? Well you must have been a pretty good student in high school ?

H: Yeah well...

F: Why did you get tired of it ?

H: I don't know, I just got tired of going.

F: Did you take the senior placement test ?

H: Yeah.

F: How did you do on that ?

H: I made a 406.

F: 406 ?

H: Um huh.

F: Yeah that's a good score. You still hadn't thought about going to college ?

What were you going to do ?

H: Get a job, and get me a pad.

F: What kind of job did you have ?






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H: Well, I had...whem I went back to school I had a job in a hospital, and I

had another job, let's see, ano---another job doing something. I had two

jobs when I started back going to school.

F: How've things been for you since you've been here ? When did you come ?

H: In January.

F: So this is your second quarter ?

H: Yeah.

F: How've things been ?

H: Uh...expensive. I don't...I always run out of money, 'Los things cost so

much.

F: Like what kind of things are you talking about ?

H: Everything, clothes, food, books, tuition, and things.

F: Are you on any kind of financial aid here ?

H: Yeah, uh, one quarter I get a National Defense Loan, and the next quarter

I get a matching grant.

F: Um huh, so how much is that ?

H: Well, it was...like last quarter I got close to, around, almost $700...

F: Um huh.

H: But see what it was, I got $470 National Defense Loan...

F: Um huh.

H: And then at the end of the quarter they gave me $250 more to pay off

rent, and house, and all that.

F: Um huh.

H: And so...

F: What about this quarter ?

H: This quarter I only got $350.

F: I see. So how's it...where do you live here ?

H: Over in Murphee Area.






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F: Um huh.

H: Sled.

F: Oh, Sled ?

H: Yeah.

F: Yeah, I still have good friends that live over there. Umh...did you live

at a dorm at South Florida ?

H: Uh, no. The kids in the program lived in a separate...it was one big, like

a...it used to be a hotel, I believe. It's a two-story apartment complex,

and it's about fifty apartments.

F: Um huh.

H: And the guys lived downstairs, and the girls lived upstairs.

F: Sounds like a good arrangement.

H: Yeah.

F: So what's it like--been for you here ? How are your classes ?

H: They were pretty good, uh, most of them.

F: How've you been doing...first of all ?

H: Uh, not too good.

F: What do you call not too.:good ?

H: Well...I plan on dropping out.

F: Of this school ?

H: Um huh.

F: When is that ?

H: Uh...this quarter.

F: You going to finish the quarter ?

H: I'm going to finish the quarter, then I'm going home and working the

summer, and I'm coming back, and pay my own way.

F: Why is that ?

H: Well, I've found myself not trying to do my work because I was getting

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H: financial aid, and either I'm going to go here or to Santa Fe, in the fall

quarter. It'll probably be here.

F: Explain that, about the idea of paying your own way. Would that make a

difference ?

H: Yeah. I'd work harder, but I find myself, getting financial aid, I, I

wasn't even trying, like I stopped going to, well in the first quarter...

I got disillusioned with the University of Florida.

F: Why is that ?

H: I just didn't like it, the whole atmosphere and everything, and so I

dropped out for awhile. I went home, and then Mr. Mitchell, from Minority

Affairs, called me up and told me to come back upand try to uh, get the

stuff, try to get together, and I came on back up, and took finals and

everything, and I flunked last quarter, I failed last quarter. And I was

planning on doing better this quarter, but I didn't. I didn't even try...

too much. So I just plan on going ahead, and dropping out a quarter

and working, and then come back and pay my own way.

F: But you're going to take finals this quarter ?

H: Yeah.

F: Well, when you talk about that you failed what do you mean, I mean what

grades did you make ?

H: Uh, I made a 'D' and two 'Es'.

F: You're taking three courses ?

H: I had uh...five, Institutions, English, Physical Science, Physical Education,

and Freshman Lecture.

F: Um huh.

H: And...that's it.

F: And you're not doing any better this quarter ?

H: Huh ?

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F: What do you do with all your time ?

H: Nothing. Eh...well, I spend a lot of time---whenever the, a lot of time

I'm over at the BSU, the Black Student Union Office when somebody else is

in there. Uh...usually around with the students somewhere. Sometimes I

go and sit in on other students classes.

F: You do what ? Say that again.

H: Uh, I spend most of my time over, either over in the BSU Office, or either

in classes.

F: Do you study ?

H: Yeah, on my own. I do a lot of reading.

F: Oh, you mean other things besides class work ?

H: Yeah.

F: Why, why aren't you studying more ?

H: I don't plan on, I, see I don't think that I could get a, a passing grade,

uh, this late in the quarter, and I ain't worried about it anyway. Like,

when I come back in the fall I plan on starting all over again, from first

quarter.

F: Um huh. Have you spoken with Roy Mitchell recently ?

H: Yeah.

F: What's...

H: But not about this. This is something I'm doing on my own.

F: Were you on probation from last quarter ?

H: Yeah.

F: Well if you fail this quarter, won't you be suspended ?

H: Umh...I guess so.

F: Well how do you plan on coming back if you're suspended ?






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H: Well they just, they get you out for a quarter, and you come back the next

quarter.

F: Oh, I see.
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H: And that's what I plan on doing.

F: How...if you spend a lot of time, you know you say doing outside---'what

kind of things do you read ?

H: Uh...even those books-like they talk about mostly about the lack, mostly

about black things.

F: Like what, what have you read recently ?

H: Uh, The Lantern Tree, umh Soul on Ice, no, another one like Soul on Ice, I

think it's, is that the one with all of the lovers in it ?

F: Um huh.

H: Yeah. And uh...hum...

F: Well why are you more interested in reading stuff like )hat than, you know,

reading you r stuff for your classes ?

H: To get, uh, just want to get my mind together right;yv 'kgg, and I think

the black struggle is more important than going to school anyway.

F: Are you active in the BSU ?

H: Yes I try to be.

F: What kind of things do you do for them ?

H: Well, uh, well just me ? What kind of things do I do ?

F: Uh, what kind of things are, are going on there, and then what kind of things

are you active in ?

H: Well, huh, hum...right now ? Well we aren't doing anything in particular

right now. We want to get some things started out in the city, but we

didn'tant to bring them out in the open yet, because we didn't want to get

our plans sabotaged.

F: Now who would do that ?

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H: Well, a lot of people would if they knew what we were doing. It's

nothing bad, it---like it something for the benefit of the people...

F: Um huh.

H: But a lot of people would try to undermine it if they knew about it.

F: You mean the whites or blacks ?

H: Whites and blacks.

F: Like what ? Is it a secret ?

H: Well not as---some of it is a secret. Like I would---

F: Now why don't you tell me the things that aren't a secret.

H: Well...we were planning on, like trying to uh, have a breakfast program

over in the community, and we didn't want to bring all that out in the open

because uh, they, some people from Santa Fe Junior College said that, thought

that there might of been other people want to uh, eat---give us static...

F: Well why, I mean, who would be against giving people breakfast ?

H: Well a lot of people would. Like I believe we'll probably, if we would have

brought it, if we bring it out in the open and everything, what we're doing,

the city and the university would probably try to do something to get rid of

it or something..

F: Well. I mean, who can you think of that would be against you're giving, you

know, young black children breakfast. I mean, who's against that ?

H: The) ~i like the same people against the Black Panther giving the young

kids breakfast.

F: Well I've never heard of anybody being against the Black Panthers for that

reason.

H: They are.

F: Well what kind of reasons do-they give ?

H: Well see, they think that we're going to try to do the same thing the

Panthers are doing. All we want to do is get those little kids breakfast,

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H. and they probably think we're going out into the community, like we had a

meeting over in the community with a couple of student Agg talking with

them...

F: Um huh.

H: ...and some people came in there, uh, getting down on us, talking about we

were uh, outsiders coming in trying to influence the uh, people over there

and everything, and they---

F: Um huh. You mean blacks in th community ?

H. Yeah. And they asked us to just have a talk with them.

F: Um huh. Did you ?

H: Yeah, we did.

F: What happened ?

H: Well, nothing. We just went over there and talked with them, and, but

these people came in 4MM accusing us of coming out there trying to start

something, like trying to influence the kids.

F: Well what do you explain to them ?

H: We just told them how it was. Told them they asked us, and the kids told

them the same thing, they asked us to come out to talk to them.

F: Um huh. Did they like your program after you explained it to them ?

H: Who, the person, the people that ?

F: Yeah.

H: Well, not exactly, because, I think, uh, the, the people had the person, uh

the people had uh, the personal grudge against the BSU.

F: Why is that ?

H: I don't know. That's what I heard, that's what everybody told me; that

either the BSU or the University of Florida Students weren't---and that's

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F: Umh... What other programs---but that's not, program is not in operation yet ?

H: No. We're still uh, trying to raise money to get support for it.

F: Well how are you going to raise money and keep it a secret ?

H: Heh, heh, well we aren't going out to the uh, the, like the men, and things

like that, asking them for support for anything. Like we're just asking

students and a couple of business men...

F: Hmm...

H: ...who we think will give support.

F: I see. When is it supposed to begin ?

H: Uh, we don't know if it is...yet..right now, because there's been a lot of

confusion, and...well a lot of confusion on the university right now. They

haven't gotten it together yet, and they're still looking for a place to have

it at, and they have,"we have a lot of things to work out, like trying to

maybe, like trying to get a bus to stop at the place or something like that.

F: Um huh. Who's in charge of that ?

H: Well, it's uh, a committee from the BSU.

F: No one's the chairman of the committee ?

H: Nah.

F: There's no leader ?

H: Well, everybody is leaders...

F: Um huh.

H: Everybody on the committee are leaders...

F: Are there any other projects BSU is working on ?

H: Well...well...yeah, there're a lot of committees the BSU is on, all over the

university.

F: Like what ?

H: Like black studies, arts and sciences, and tonight I'm supposed to go to a

black-white confrontation, something like that.

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F: Where is that ?

H: At a professors home. I forgot what his name, he said meet him over at Norman

around a quarter of seven tonight.

F: How do you know him ?

H: Well I went to a, to this uh, to listen to this black Dr. talk, last Thursday,

Thursday evening, and uh, after the, after the lecture the professor as d uh,

one of the minister of the BSU if he could get a couple of blacks to go over

with him to this thing, to the black-white thing, and so the minister asked

me if I was willing to go ?

F: Um huh.

H: So I volunteered.

F: Why do you want to go to that ?

H: Well I just volunteered. If I think I could be...I don't even know whether

it's all about really, but I guess it's to, yeah, I do, it is, I asked uh,

what it's about, and explained to me...see it was something about these white

teachers that was supposed to be teaching in integrated schools, black and

white schools, and I guess they wanted to ask questions about how we felt

about certain things, something like that.

F: What are some of the other ministries over in the BSU ?

H: Com---communications, information, culture.

F: Yeah. Are any of those committees involved in any kind of projects ?

H: Uh...umh...I don't know, I don't know, because I'm not a part of all of the

committees, I'm just with----

F: Yeah, well nobody can be a member of all those committees.

H: I mean...yeah.

F: What about your classes here, how have they been ?

H: There all right. The professors are nice, at least they act nice. I haven't

had any static out of any of them, uhm, so far.

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F: Are you learning anything ?

H: Yeah.

F: What are some of your good courses ?

H: The English one, and Institutions, I don't like the, the science is kind of

hard, and I had a pretty nice P.E. teacher. He was funny, a lot of fun.

F: What about students, how do you get along with students here ?

H: I get along with them all right, some of them, I mean, I don't, I don't, I

don't make any enemies, like heh, I didn't make none, not as I know of.

F: Have you ever had any problems with any students here ?

H: Well, uh, some nights, like I'd be walking over in Murphee Area some---

where somebody would throw something at me. Uh, I remember a couple of,

about two or three times, uh groups of white kids walked by me, and called

me names...

F: Like what ?

H: Like they didn't say it loud, like they're just talking around among themselves,

and I just smiled at 'em and walked on by.

F: Nobody had ever said anything directly to you ?

H: Nah, not in my face.

F: Has anything happened like that to any of ypur friends ?

H: Yes.

F: Like what ?

H: Well, like last year when this fraternity, I forget the name of it, they'd be

riding around on these horses and things, Confederate coats and stuff. Like

last year...some of them pointed guns at them, and shot them, and I think

some of the members of the fraternity were drunk, and called some members of

the, uh some of the black students Aigger, and we went to O'Connell, last

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H: ...to see if we could get the fraternity pushed off campus, because they

were supposed to have this thing again,, 'Plantation Day', and we told them

about it---told them about their firing guns and things, and he said there

was nothing he could do because uh, they---he couldn't do nothing unless they

broke a law, and...

F: Were you at that meeting...

H: Yes.

F: ...at President O'Connell's ?

H: Um huh.

F: That's what he said ? What did peo---what did the black students say ?

H: Well...about what ?

F: About that.

H: Well we told him that uh...the KOt, I think it's the K's, they were

perpetuating 'Slavery Days' and things. They were insulting the black

people...

F: Um huh.

H: And they were intimidating people...and uh, the whole thing, the whole

program, this 'Plantation Day', has a racist overtone, and I had mentioned

to O'Connell that...the day before there was a article in "The Alligator"

about uh, pushing racist fraternities off campus, and I mentioned that to

him, and he still was saying the thing about 'Legality', being real--realistic.

F: Um huh. Are you against that fraternity out to ride around on horses like

that ?

H: Yes I am...especially in Confederate suits.

F: Um huh.

H: And having 'Slave Auctions' and things.

F: Do they do that ?

H: Yes.






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F: I never heard of that. Where did you hear that ?

H: I've either read it---it's---these---they have these papers posted in most

of the dorms.

F: Is that something about 'Slave Auctions' ?

H: Yeah, 'Slave Selling Bodies'. I think the dudes buy girls or something,

something like that.

F: They what ?

H: They uh, pay for slaves, girls I believe.

F: Hum... Uh, are they going to have it ?

H: Well...they said that they had it Thursday, uh, I think it was Thursday,

Thursday evening, when they were riding around with a gun on, but uh, couple

of friends, black friends,of mine, said that people had told them, people in

the fraternity had told them that it was just a dry run.

F: Um huh.

H: And so, uh, after this meeting with O'Connell the only thing we got out of

it was him saying he couldn't do nothing about it, and he did say that he

would check on them to see if they had permits for the firearms...because

I don't think they had no permits for them. That's the only thing he was

going to do.

F: So it looks like that they're going to have that, huh ?

H: Well, I guess so. I believe...he called somebody, Dean Stormer or somebody,

and asked them about it. I think the dude said they were going down to the

Crystal River, Friday, they have it there or something, but we thought it

was going to be out here.

F: Um huh. So if they have it at Crystal River it will be all right ?

H: Well, it shouldn't be allowed, the fraternity shouldn't be allowed on campus,

and there're some students from Crystal River that said the blacks down there

are intimidated by it also.

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F: Um huh. Well, let me see, if these guys ride, what, do they wear Confederate

uniforms, carry flags, and things; right ?

H: Yeah.

F: And you find that objectionable, and you don't thin---what about if whites

find certain things that, let's say, the Black Student Union does is

objectionable ?

H: We don't do anything objectionable. Like if the K. A's. are going to have

guns on campus, it seems like the Black Student Union should have---we should

be able to have guns on campus.

F: Um huh4 Well, what about the idea of just carrying symbols or flags or

things ? In other words, if the Black Student Union, you know, pickets

somebody, or they have a demonstration in front of Tigert, and people, let's

say, go to the President and say, "We don't like the signs they're carrying,

get them off."

H: Heh. What about that ?

F: Well, I mean, isn't that fair ?

H: How could it be fair, I mean, everybody is, everybody is able to go over to

Tigert and make what signs they want, as long as there not injuring anybody

else rights.

F: Um huh.

H: And picketing in front of Tigert as peaceful as they want, even Friday

evening, we made signs then, and we marched in front of Tigert. O'Connell

was out there with us, marching with us Friday evening, and that's not

against the law, to go out and picket somebody, go out and march an all.

F: Well is it against the law to ride horses on campus ? I mean, aside from

the gun thing, I hadn't heard about that, but let's say, I understand why

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H: Um huh.

F: So, in other words, like, you feel if someone has a sign, or a flag, or

wears certain that are objectionable...do you think that you ought to be

able to go to the President and tell him that you don't want those people

to do that ?

H: Well you are. You sup---that's what he's there for, but...you just can't

put anything into that bag and say, uh, for any little thing you could go

to the President and...

F: Um huh.

H: Like we don't think that's no little thing, the K.A's. riding around on

horses with confederate flags and stuff...

F: Um huh.

H: Like---they're printing---what they're doing actually is saying, uh, the

South will rise again, and the police aren't doing anything to them, but uh,

the Black Panthers are getting thrown in jail, and you could---if you read,

you'll find out that...all of it, all the charges that they're getting thrown

in jail on, aren't legal. All of them aren't true.

F: Um huh.

H: But they're still getting put away for it because of saying the 'Third

World Party' will overcome, will take over the/ nation. And...another

thing, what they were doing anyway, is degrading to the/ ack ace. We think

it, we thought it was against, uh, the blacks.

F: What about...you're going to come back this September, and...

H: Yes.

F: What's going to be different in September?

H: I don't think anything will be different here.

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H: Yeah...my mind will be together.

F: What are you going to do to do that ?

H: Huh ?

F: What are you going to do to get your mind together ?

H: I got it together now.

F: You do ?

H: Yeah.

F: Well, why do you have to go away ?

H: Well I'm going to work, and duh...sort of like Are rest too.

F: Doesn't sound like you're working too hard now ?

H: I am.

F: Heh, heh, you're going to take a vacation from your vacation.

H: Uh...you see, this, this school can get you---if you let it, it'll run

you crazy. There's so many pressures here on campus and everything.

F: Like what ?

H: Everyth---the people and everything, like...hmm...it just too many pressures

here, and you have to worry about everything all of the time.

F: What kind of job are you going to have ?

H: Uh, I think it'll probab---I'll either be working M a hospital, I may have

a line maintanence job.

F: Are you already in contact---

H: ---or either in construction work---

F: ---with some of them ?

H: No, not yet.

F: Where are you going to work, in Hollywood ?

H: Um huh.

F: Are you going to be able to save enough money to come back ?

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F: And you're not going to accept money from here anymore ?

H: No.

F: You really think that makes a difference ?

H: I do, that's what---that's the way I feel.

F: Um huh.

H: I don't know what anybody else'd say, but that's me.

F: Yeah. Have you heard, I mean that makes some sense to me, have you heard

any other black students say similar things...that they're not working as

hard because it's too easy, you know, to get money.

H: Now it's not too easy to get money. Like uh, the only reason I was getting

it mainly...because of this program I was in...

F: Um huh.

H: Like whoever school...like if you graduate from this program, they'll do

all they could to get you in a school, and get you financial aid...

F: Um huh.

H: Because what it was,it was a program for uh, students who...dropped out of

school, and whose parents weren't able to send them to sch---uh, college,

and so th---after they finished this program, the people in the program

tried to get them financial aid and everything, and colleges.

F: Yeah, but you said that one of the reasons you aren't working hard enough,

is because you're getting this money.

H: Yeah, because I was getting the money, and...like, all I was doing, was

having a good time instead of going to classes and things. I---that might

have been a excuse, I really didn't want to go here anyway.

F: Um huh.

H: I didn't want to...from the first quarter, after I came a couple of weeks,

I didn't ant to go here. Umh...it was just, like there was a unfriendly

atmosphere in the air. You could tell the people didn't like you, and so I

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H: ...just, I made up my mind to stop going here.

F: Well, why are you thinking of coming back ?

H: To help...I plan on getting into the community more, and also there are more

blacks coming here in the summer, and...so on, and we plan on getting

together, and trying to get the blacks together, trying to get the freshman,

the black freshman together.

F: Well, if you said you are running out of money now, with the financial aid,

if you're not going to be getting any money, how are you going to have

enough ?

H: I'll have saved my money in the summer---and I was planning on using that.

F: Yo---will you live at home ?

H: In the summer ?

F: Um huh.

H: I may, or I may not, I don't know right now.

F: What kind of changes would you like to see ?

H: What, here ?

F: Um huh.

H: Well, the same thing we been asking for; more black professors, more black

students, and more black courses.

F: Why do you think that it is important to have more black professors ?

H: Well, because you can't relate to white professors.

F: Why not ?

H: Because they aren't black, they don't live the same life you live. They don't

know what's going through your mind. Same way a...probably a white student

would rather have a white professor.

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H: Well, so the blacks could get more done, the blacks could have more represen-

tation.

F: Um huh.

H: And I believe that blacks would be able to get more done if we had more

black students, and I also...yeah, there should be more blacks here anyway.

This is the biggest university in this state, and it has almost the smallest

number of blacks than any other university in the state has.

F: Why don't more blacks come here ?

H: Heh! Because they are uh, let's see, what will, how'll I put this,

discouraged from going here.

F: By who ?

H: Mostly everybody. Like...when I got ready to come up, when people heard

I was coming here, I was told by a whole lot of people that this school

was too hard, and all the...the uh, courses an stuffwere too hard. The

people were too hard. You had to be a brain to stay in, and all that kind

of stuff And so people get discouraged'from---and they go somewhere else.

F: Would you encourage more black students to come here ?

H: Yes. I do, and mostly everybody is.. Most of the blacks are trying to

encourage the other black students to come here, trying to get as many here

as we can.

F: Um huh. What did you think about when you got the questionnaire ?

H: Uh...I thought it would probably be something, uh, I don't know, I---at

first I thought it was just a pole or something...

F: Um huh.

H: Heh, fellow blacks...just something like a census or something.

F: Um huh.

H: And then I thought it...it might be able to help get more black activities

on campus, groups or something. I don't know.

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F: Why did you fill it out ?

H: Huh ?

F: Why did you fill it out ?

H: I don't know, I started on it when I first got it, but I didn't finish it.

F: Um huh.

H: And then somebody called me, I think a girl called me, and asked me if I

had finished it yet.

F: Um huh.

H: And I told her, "Not yet," and I finished it out then.

F: Do you know any other people that have gotten it ?

H: Questionaires ?

F: Yeah.

H: Yeah.

F: Have they filled it out ?

H: Uh...huh, huh, well, I know two other people, and one did and one didn't.

One filled his out about half way, and the other one finished his.

F: Send it in ?

H: Yeah.

F: Why did the other one not fill it out ?

H: I don't know.

F: He never mentioned it ?

H: Un uh, and the people I'm talking about I'm hardly ever around them

anyway.

F: How did you know they got it ?

H: Well I was over in---no, uh, this girl told me to go up to their room

and get them.

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H: Get the questionnaires.

F: Yes ?

H: I went and got them for her.

F: What kind of activities would you like to see here...more for blacks ?

H: Uh...activities ?

F: Well you know, you know, sure there's not a whole lot for blacks to do here,

and you feel sort of lonely, what kind of things would you like there to be

here ?

H: Uh...more black bands, uh more black performers, uh...umh...that's about

it. More black performers.

F: Are you interested in any kind of extra-carricular activities ?

H: Me ? Well I...years ago I played basketball in the summer, go :to the

pool in the summer.

F: Was there any organizations you'd like to belong to ?

H: Not on this campus.

F: What would you like to be on this campus ?
did
H: Uh, I'd neverJaaimn like organizations anyway. If I would be doing anything,

I'd probably go out for a team or something. Play athletics, I never did

like social groups.

F: Did you play athletics in high school ?

H: Yeah, I played uh...football.

F: Um huh. Were you good ?

H: Huh ?

F: Were you good ?

H: Yeah, pretty good...until I got messed up.

F: You mean you got hurt ?

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F: But there're no organizations you'd like to belong to ?

H: Uh...no. Any organization I would want to belong to would be black. On

this campus.

F: What kind of more black organizations would you like to see ?

H: Umhi..fraternities.

F: You like black fraternities ? Why would you like to see that ?

H: Either black, or either more black than they is, I mean...they aren't any

blacks, not too many, only a couple I think, uh I've only seen about one

or two blacks over at fraternities, and I think it should be uh, either

some more black fraternities, or almost all black, and we can't do that now

because there aren't enough blacks here to have a fraternity.

F: You'd like to belong to one though...you think ?

H: Unless th---there was just all black social houses or something like that.

F: Well listen, I...







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