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- Students Gagged In Assembly

By FRANK E. STANFIE L
DByFRANK E. STANFLD members in the past, continues to association to take over the the HALYARD, Carpenter clari- Carpenter feels that the
During the last summer be a controversial governing Assembly's role. Other proposals fled his position by stating that he General Assembly may now be
meeting of the General Assembly body. Alternate proposals to the include modifications of the is not opposed to students too "idealistic" in some respects
UNF's governing body, several General Assembly have been existing, structure, participating in the university and that any government will
students were forbidden to considered by various members UNF president Dr. Thomas government, but that he felt that suffer from some degree of
address the body after a vote was of the university community. Dr. Carpenter has expressed skep- students were either too busy or apathy. Carpenter went on to say
taken to decide whether or not Thomas Mongar, political science ticism over the feasibility of a too apathetic to become actively that he fully expects to see some
they should have the right to air department chairman, has pro- student government association. engaged in making university changes take place within the
their viewsposed a student government During a recent interview with policy decisions, existing system.
The students were members of
HALYARD staff, and had hoped
to answer HALYARD opponents'
charges of student disinterest in
the publication. The decision to
gag the students came during
debate on budget appropriations
for the HALYARD.
Assembly rules specify that Vol. 1, No. 15 University of North Florida Jacksonville, Florida Wednesday, October 2, 1974
non-members (those members
not elected to the Assembly) can
address the Assembly if there are
no objections from the other
members.
The HALYARD budget had
been cut by student affairs and
the university from $75,000 to
$45,000 only to be slashed again
to a budget of $17,000.
Communications department di-
Assembly that the HALYARD S
could not survive on a $17,000
budget. Eventually the Assembly
agreed to postpone making a
decision on the matter until
further investigations could be T h e a
conducted.
After the Assembly adjourned
some faculty and student
Assembly members expressed Exciting Street Theatre is seen when Chicago's Free Street Theatre
indignation over what they is performing. When they arrive at UNF, students, staff and faculty
viewed as the "undemocratic should prepare themselves to be pleasantly assaulted by a myriad of
way in which the students were sounds and sights emanating from this internationally experienced
gagged by a majority vote. troupe. From informal mingling with the crowd to the formal
geby a majority vte. performance on the stage they will perform for us on Friday,
hopefully heightening even further the usual feeling of relief and
The Assembly, which has been gladness which accompanies a TGIF. For complete story turn to
under fire from some of its own page 5 of today issue.





Ha SLaLt SBdy PaM-Time

It is virtually impossible to Ed emet Up 10 Pet Cad
write the phrase -- Welcome to p T a a
UNF -- in a novel and interesting *Sagg g hip &v cat
way. So, in order to get things
rolling -- Welcome to UNF.


As an upper-level state UNF Has Unique Loation
institution we don't have the BY MIKE MALONE
problems in the fall quarter that year. Even with enrollments up, "The FTE, full time equivil- submitted during the summer,
are normally associated with a Halyard Staff Writer the new budget has not been met. ency, is what counts here," said are difficult to meet," he added.
university. All of the students Casbeer. "There was never any
at UNF have attended other Declining enrollments are
ant uNs se dt thea vcing empty senatis in many According to Casbeer approxi- doubt UNF would reach it's
institutions so we don't have the leaving empty seats in many mately 50% of the student body is enrollment or 'head count' But Casbeer is optimistic.
bumbling freshman who is alleges throughout the countryF will enrolled on a part time basis.This requirements. "But," he con- "With enrollment up at least 10%
homesick because he's never increase by at least 10% this fall leaves only half the total tinted "unless enough full time we are close to that mark and are
been away from home before and creaseenrollment to pay full time tuition fee paying students enroll, hopeful that the budget will be
confused because his "high Marcus Casbeer, Director of fees. budget requirements, which are met." he said.
school wasn't like this." Records and Registration, con-
tributes the increase to a sagging
Since our average student economy driving students of Burger King of Jacksonville Burger King Bucks should be
Since our average student age private schools into less expen- has announced a minimum presented by the students, staff
is somewhere around 30, and sive state universities. Another commitment of $10,000 to the and faculty of these universities
therefore they are "mature", it factor responsible for the increase 0 0 financial aid programs of Florida at any of the 12 Burger King
has been contended that it is is the "unique location, both Junior College, University of locations each time a purchase is
actually possible to get some urban and residential that UNF is North Florida, Jacksonville Uni- made.
work done here. able to afford it's students," versity and Edward Waters
Well, those of you who have according to Casbeer. College.
been here before know what it's "Enrollments of6of the 9 state If this program is successful,
en here wwh t's universities will also have marked nThrough a scholarship month Burger King has prmised the
like, and you are just coming -- increases over last year's promotional program, Burger four schools that this will be made
you're about to find out. enrollment," said Casbeer. King has distributed thousands of an annual event. Thus, the
Now, if you'll excuse me Definite statistics are unavailable certificates known as Burger King number of certificates which are
throws this ock-h excuseherd at this time due to students r Bucks. While these "Bucks" redeemed can have a significant
about...' completing final registration. have no monetary value of effect on future support for UNF.
However the fine location of themselves, they measure the These certificates can be
UNF may not have as much to success of this type of redeemed through October 7,
Drew Brunson offer the budget for the upcoming promotional program. 1974.


Camp f Hnb Page 2 Educators Page 6 Nix Poda Pge 7


Inflation Page 3 Cid Ce Cada -Page 4 Fishling Pge 8





Pge,32 0ober 2v494 THE HALYARD


SCampus Biesi


Democrats To Meet
The UNF Democrats have scheduled their meetings for the first
Tuesday and third Friday of each month. The Tuesday meetings will
be held at 12:00 noon 003/1331 and the Friday meetings will be held
at 7:00 p.m. in 003/1331.
It is time once again for annual
UNF Offers ROTC renewal of your UNF vehicle
ers decal. UNF traffic Code states
"Vehicle registration expires
The University of North Florida now offers the Army Reserve annually on August 31." For
Officers Training Corps (ROTC) to bothe men and women. Those Faculty, staff and concessionaire,
who are interested may apply at the ROTC office, Bldg. 008/ Rm. registration will commence
2639 M-F 8:30 a.m. 5:00 p.m. August 15 each year. All vehicles
used by students [either full-time
or part-time] must be registered
Prior to the first day of classes at
h Club G others the beginning of the first quarter
starting in September [or at the
There will be a Psychology Club meeting Tuesday, October at beginning of any other quarter in
noon and a Friday night meeting at 7:00 p.m., October 10 in which the student enters time
003/1341. Elections of new officers will begin October 8 and end University for the first time
October 14. during the academic term, must
Obe registered the first day on
campus.] As a convenience to
SAM Conducts Drive faculty, staff and concessionaire
Sd p nd personnel, members of the
University Polce Department will
be canvaslng departments
The Society for Advancement of Management (SAM) is currently throughout the commmalty to sell
ting their fall membership drive and would like to invite all new and issue 1974-75. Prior to
and returning students to join their organization. October 1, 1974 violators will be
issued those "pink friendly
SAM offers students an opportunity to listen and learn from reminders" to purchase their five
business leaders of Jacksonville. They also have many social dollar decals. After October 1,
functions that allow students to interact with each other and with violators will face fines. To
faculty on an informed basis. register your vehcle[s], you must
have a valid 1975 registration and
SAM is open to all majors. know your license plate number.


Interview
Students graduating in December, March or June who desire to
participate in the On-Campis Interview Program should register in
the Cooperative Education and Placement Center in Building 1,

The Path to security sl only a decision and a phone call -- wayl
W D ecal D deadline f. wwf ow 1bcW.4~A Y dk" k'r
Paul C. Glass -- 1405 Palm Avenue, Jacksonvie, Florida ,gP
Effective September 23, 1974, University Police will be patroling
the parking areas for the purpose of identifying vehicles that have
not registered for a decal for the current year.
Effective Tuesday, October 1. 1974, all vehicles not bearing a
valid decal for the current year will be issued a citation.


Library Committee Meets

There will be a Library Advisory Committee meeting Friday,
October 4, at 2:00 p.m. in the downstairs Library Conference Room.
Interested persons may attend.,



New Offices For Halyard


The Halyard has finally moved itito: its new offices.After waiting
for quite some time, we got the ok and moved the week before
cl-ses starSted. S mer Spring term 1975
Our new offices are in Building 003 room 2401, the old Studenxt0 IIne t I Su 0 4 5
Activities office. Everyone is welcome to visit us here and we hope
you will decide to drop by and see how the paper is run.
The deadline for the next issue of the Halyard is Tuesday,
October 8 at 12 noon.

Don't Feed The Gators I want a subscription to THE HALYARD.
Please do not feed the alligators! The Fish and Game Commission M y check for 5, ( is enclosed
has indicated recent attacks by alligators on people resulted from
the gators loss of fear of human beings after being fed by them over E
a period of tim e.. ..........- ..... ............... ..... .

Soldwedel To Aid V1. Ed AD R _... ........ ................. ..........
Dr. Bette J. Soldwedel has been asked by thegovernment of the
Virgin Islands to assist the Department of Education in the design ".........".......................................
and development of Careej Education workships for guidance
personnel. She met with officials on St. Thomas during the week of
August 27.




THE HALYARMD Otber 2,;-1Q4 k agP


UNF Becomes Servicemans College

Military service men and Ip some instances, credits other non-traditional times for and (6) honor commitments to Jacksonville-based military
women stationed in Jacksonville earned under the DOD Unites members of the Armed Forces; service men and women students men and women are encouraged
now have an opportunity to begin States Armed Forces Institute (3) provide opportunities for previously enrolled even though to contact the SOC program
or continue their college (USAFI) program, now dis- members of the Armed Forces to the individual institution may coordinator at the University of
educations without loss of banded, -also may be credited complete courses through special discontinue its status in the SOC North Florida, telephone 646-
academic credit because of a new toward degree requirements. or optional means (such as the program. 2700, for additional information.
cooperative credit transfer pro- UNF-administered U.S. Navy Information on VA benefits may
gram arranged by the Depart- The agreement executed be- PACE program aboard Mayport- Service personnel who elect to be obtained by contacting the
ment of Defense (DOD) with more tween DOD and the participating based Navy ships); (4) provide participate in the SOC program UNF Office of Veterans Affairs,
than 260 educational institutions institutions, including UNF, special academic assistance such are eligible for in-service G.I. Bill telephone 646-2622.
throughout the country. stipulate that each institution as tutoring and the designation of benefits through the Veterans
will: (1) have liberal entrance trained counselors knowledgeable Administration if they have
IN Jacksonville, the University requirements; (2) offer courses in in service training; (5) have a completed at least six months of -i---i.....
of North florida (UNF), as well as evenings, on weekends, and at liberal transfer of credits policy; active duty service. NEED
Florida Junior College at
Jacksonville (FJC),o has nbeen '* 9egli a Ca ctiC i SOM ETHING...
designated as a- Servicemen's
Opportunity College (SOC) by the 0 As o Up --TO sell?
SOC Project headquarters, an
agency 'administered ,by. the -- To b
American Association of State L g fr a b
Colleges and Universities u Looking for a book, a d, a
(AASCU) in Washington, D.C;. TRY

on u Effect On University
UNF is one-of seven four-year ,a
or upper-level colleges and Effect OnUnivers ity
universities in Florida to be THE AL YARDS
named an SOC institution. Eight Some UNF building con- classified Adverting
Florida junior or community struction and other projects have O OS .
colleges, including FJC, also have been delayed or cut back due to o
been so designated. the staggering rate of inflation,
according to administrative of-
The SOC program was ficials at UNF. Clsifd s
designed to aid service personnel One proposed expenditure that
on active duty in obtaining college has been temporarily shelved is Reprints of all Halyard photos
degrees despite frequent changes that of a fence surrounding UNF's available. For more information
of duty station. In the past, duty campus. Increased development contact: The Halyard office or call
transfers interfered with the in the area and poachers are cited 646-2817.
amassing of academic credits by as the reasons for the proposed
service personnel because of the fence: The plan has been
non-recognition of programs temporarily lain aside, because WANT TO BRIGHTEN YOUR
among various educational insti- according to university president DAYS? A little moonlight can put
tutions throughout the country. Dr. Carpenter, the cost of fence a lot of sunshine in your life. Earn
has doubled in the last year. extra income in your spare time.r
T.e -. extra income in your spare time.
Often, a school in the military The university's paved loop Phone local Amway distributor
person's new duty location would road may also face some for information.
not accept credits earned at problems getting completed.
institutions in other locations. According to Carpenter the .... ...... u,.- ....
Also. many institutions had Department of Transportation has Thi public document was
residence requirements which run out of funds for the promulgated at an estimated
m u crdi wil eeo t ul^Uper o py te fonfoamy b
F6rce'souind inipossible to meet. uniersity could foreseeably be students, faculty, career
forced to dip into its own cash t service, and administrative
The SOC program was devised reserves to complete the project and professional staff about
to correct these problems faced An even more serious result of activities affectig the udiver-
by military personnel as they seek inflation could be a possible ,-q com*multy.
to finish their college degree decreased student enrollment. le)URM I U"ssie
requirements. Advantages of the There is fear in some
program include: (1) participating administrative circles that even
institutions have agreed to grant though the number of students
a.degree with minimal resident continues to increase, the number STU D EN
study when military obligations of hours students are enrolled in
preclude fulfilling normal resi- may decrease. According to- 3 ai
dency requirements; (2) maxi- Carpenter, no one is sure what F ,
mum credit will be granted for effect the current inflationary
educational experiences and economy will have on the PO. S S
training obtained while the university or the students.
service member is on active duty Recently the state appropriated
in the Armed Forces; and (3) a four per cent increase for UNF's i o nvai le on t an -7am for
liberal tiolicies have been 1 s et from te mai m mediate opoli ivafl ab on the J-1pm and 11-lam shft for B
liberal 'policies have been budget to compensate for I
established for awarding credit by -inflation. Unfortunately, with the
by theCollege Level Examination that amount the budget allowance R S
examination, suhaae oed nfatie apraching wice COMPUTER SORTER OPERATORS u
Program (CLEP). falls short of realistic needs.
n p SETTLEMENT CLERKS

Some Construction IBM PROOF OPERATORS


Continues At UNF
By nE. tF .u compjny b ene.its induding college reinbusement.
In the midst of serious national The auditorium, now on the Please apply in peson Mon. Fri. a.
decline in the building trade,, drawing board, is a 750 seat .
construction continues to be a fact capacity auditorium with revolv- NO PHO E ALL PLASE


After many months ofum revolve so that theBy canbe *W 'FK
antic ation BuilN d inm r seperated from the main 51 J. ul e ,. ,Ju i a A Fo d
has been completed and is now auditorium if desired. de F'
ready for use. Completion of the
building has been delayed due to
materials shortages and plumb- -
ing problems. According to UNF president FEDERAL RESERVE BANK

Future construction plans coustical integrity", and points FAS
include a warehouse building, a out that similar auditoriums have -
technology instruction building, been successfully utilized in some 1
and an auditorium. Western _states. .





P Ofblero2,Wt THZE'HALAXDl,-iM


-ll Day Care Center A Reality? ?


BY PAM STONE is charged, with the exception of remains in the center for four
Halyard Staff Writer athletics. Though litigation of this hours at a time.
S issue remains open, the Council
At long last, the proposed of Presidents' interpretation of The staff will consist of.
University of North Florida Child Bill 2892 does not preclude the professional teachers. Parents,
Care Center may become a use of these funds in order to students, and volunteer help will
reality. meet a real student need. also be used.
On September 16, 1974, in a According to Dean Coy, no final The Child Care Center will care
meeting of the Council of disposition has been made for children who are out of
Presidents, which consists of the concerning charges for the use of diapers to school age during the
heads of nine state universities, a the center, but the proposed plan day. During the evening hours,
decision was made to allow the includes a $22.50 per week charge children through third grade wilt
use of either activities and service for a forty hour week. For any be admitted. Enrollment will be
fees, grants and donations, and time under forty hours, the on a first come, first served basis
combinations of these sources for amount would be 75c per hour, in every case. All children of both
the establishment and operation with the possibility of a sliding part and full-time students will be
of a Child Care Center. scale to allow for heavy use by welcome. Should less than forty
Dean Darwin Coy stated that part-time students. children .of students be enrolled,
tDean Dar C state tatthe center would then be opened
this proposed policy will be acted to the children of staff and faculty
on by the Board of Regents on The center will have approxi- members.
Monday, October 7. In antici- mately 1300 square feet of indoor
Station of Board approval, UNF is space and a fenced outside play
proceeding with plans to open the area, part of which' will be According to Dean Coy, the
enter for winter quarter covered with a synthetic material. Child Care Center will be housed Tentativehours for operation of t as an integral part of
It will be designed to accommodate in a triple-wide relocatable the U.N.F. center are 7:30 a.m. to university training and research
Planning on the center began forty children 'at any one time. building similar to those 10:30 p.m. Monday through programs, such as the center at
last spring, but ground to a halt Because many students will use presently found on campus. The Friday, though adjustments may oer r this type of
due to Bill 2892, which was the center only part-time, this current campus buildings are be made according to the amount program to be adopted in the
passed by the Florida House. This means that between forty andone single and double-wide sizes. The of use required. U.NF. center,'a delay would be
bill prevents the use of activities hundred twenty children can be tentative site of the facility will be necessitated by the requirement
or service fees for any purpose for cared for daily. A hot meal will bc north of Building 4 between -The facility will function of prior authorization by the
which a use fee or admission fee provided for any child who paring lots two and three. initially as a day care center, and Boar of Regents.



Whoa -- Slow down there
fellows -- you're not In a race -- or
are you? Since the canoeing on
campus has become popular what
might end up happening on the
lakes just can't be predicted.
What might have started out as a
leisurely paddle around to enjoy
the scenery, soon developed into
something quite a bit different
Once the boundless enthusiasm of
college students was tickled.






we R A Twies place to -

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a great

Student Activities Plans Vary Va0 .

BY SANDY L'ETOILE may sign up for the games to be minstrel band in the Boathouse
Halyard Staff Writer held October 28 through October 16 between 11:50 a.m.
November 1, by simply going by and 1:20 p.m. Students are urged o u
Student Activities has planned the Student Activities Office to go by and listen.
a number of activities for this during the week of October 21.
quarter, beginning with ntra-A reminder to all students,
mural football erd ending with a The Baptist Student Union, in movie tickets for Florida State
possible Christmas Dance in connection with the Student Theatres can be purchased in the cred it u io
December. Activities Office, will present a UNF Bookstore for $1.00.

Three Courses Offered h had "credit unions are financially
ends this Friday and any club, ee 0a s sound savings add lending
organization, or student group is institutions designed to
urged to sign up at the Student
Activities Office located in I meet the
Building 10. The football Nursing Program )im pe reresL
tournament will begin on October Three college courses designed nursing courses; UNF will teach special needs of a specific
15 during the Student Activity T ge co e e non-nursing and cognitive cour- grp f pepe: in this instance
periods. i tto give Jacksonville area ses required by the program All Lgroup of people: in this instance
registered nurses t an early courses in the program will be all school employeesinbaker,
Theeconfimoftheuarer oportnitoffered in Jacksonvibie.ld ce
The second film of the quarter toward a bachelor's degree in offered in Jacksonville. clay and duval coun-
wil be Judge Roy Bean. Judge nursing will be taught at the Courses which will begin with *e" 19 3 5 ties as well as
Beauditom Fia y O ber 11 t University of North Florida UNF's fall quarter schedule sin ce
itorium, Friday Oon 1 as i nc 15 members of their
7:45 p.m. (UNF), beginning this month. include UNF-taught "Health:
The cue ofrIssises, Trends, and Problems families who live in
A Billiards Tournament wThe courses, offered by UNF (HEN 350)," Which meets the same
Biheld on campus beginning be and the University of Florida Monday, Wednesday, and Friday household."
October on campus beginning (UF), will be applicable toward beginning Sept.23 from 9 to 10:20 YOU
tou October Sign up for this the nursing degree program a.m. in UNF building three, room
toBuilding 10. Billiard O tablesare1418 in being planned iy UF, Florida 1321; UF-taught 'Special Topics: ho ld join
t A&M {Jniversity. (FAMU), and Dimensions of Nursing Practice'
located in the Student Activities UNF and scheduled to begin in (NSG 430)," WHICH MEETS ON
tournament. use during this September, 1975. Monday beginning Sept. 23 from -your
4:30 to 7:30 p.m. in UNF building
Chess, heads up the list as the Under this proposed nursing ten, room 1351; and UF-taught credit union
final activity planned for the degree program, UF and FAMU "Special Topics: Foundations of .....
month of October. Any student will condiict all professional the Nursing Process (SSG 430).'




TH-E HALYARD -. Oc)tbwr 2v It*4 P rS.





Appointments Announced
Dean Willard O. Ash has announced the appointment of the
following personnel to the College of Arts and Sciences for the
1974-75 academic year:
Dr. Cherrill P. Heaton
Cherrill P. Heaton, associate professor of business
communications and English, in the department of language and
literature. Free treet *eater.
Earning the B.A. degree from Princeton University, Dr. Heaton
attended the University of North Carolina and earned both the M.A. r a
and Ph.D. degrees from Florida State University.
Dr. Heaton comes to UNF fromnCampbell College, Buies Creek, BY BILLHARE The internationally acclaimed audience to sing, dance, play
North Carolina. Halyard Staff Writer troupe's performance is, as the games and visit informally. This
Dr. Yap Siong Chua name suggests, free. For the UNF is not a preshow warm-up in the
Students, faculty, staff and family Friday's festivities will generally accepted sense, but
Yap Siong Chua, assistant professor, in the department of families should prepare to gather actually begin around 5:30 p.m. rather pre-show activity that
Son the Athletic Field this Friday All are requested to bring personalizes the experience for
mathematical sciences. to participate in what Richard blankets or other seating devices, audience and performers alike.
D. Chua earned the B.S.E.E. degree from the Uiversity o th Reisinger, Director of Student refreshments, and picnic suppers Each year Free Street Theater
DP C hua earned the BM.S. an h.. degrees from the ae University Activities, said "Could be the After setting up the performance creates its own original shows. In
oPhilippines, theM.S. and Ph.D. degrees from the St ate University most exciting and memorable area, the entire company of the summer of 1973 it gave 152
of New York at Stony Brook. event UNF has seen." twenty six will mingle with the performances in 92 neighbor-
hoods and communities in six
He comes to UNF from Columbia University where he was an states. It has also performed in
assistant professor. France, Belgium and Yugoslavia;
Mrs. Linda Anderson Foley however, this week's appearance
in Jacksonville represents the
S* furthest foray within the
Linda Anderson Foley, assistant professor of psychology and id I hamboundaries of the United States.
faculty advisor, in the department of psychology. W e Patrick Henry, Artistic Director
Mrs. Anderson earned the B.A. degree from Western of Free Street Theater, describes
Connecticut State College, and the M.A. degree from the University the goal of the company as that of
of Florida. At the present time she is completing the requirements A new financial aid program part-time students from partici- a "traveling mirror, since it is the
for the Ph.D. degree at the University of Florida. has been developed at the pation. Therefore, Porject PUSH goal of the Free Street Theater to
Harsh Chandra Midha University of North Florida (UNF) will be funded as a repayable loan reflect contemporary society." It
Hai-sh Chandra -Midha for part-time students enrolled at program from institutional re- performs anywhere it can reach
SUNF, according to Rufus sources, .including those funds an audience.
Dean James Parrish announced the appointment of the following Jefferson,. director of student contributed through the UNF WORK-A-DAY, Friday night's
personnel to the faculty of the College of Business Administration of financial aid. Volunteer Alumni gift program, production on campus, is an
the 1974-75 academic year: The loan program, "Project- sponsored by the UNF Found- appropriate vehicle for the FST
Push" (Part-Time University ation, Inc. objective. It explores in music,
Harish Chandra Midha, instructor in the department of Student Help), is available to all To qualify for the program, dance, and drama, the work
transportation and logistics. part-time students who are each part-time student must carry people perform and the ways they
: ~Midha ~an~a_~ E ~edinu e~~I aderaraduate or a minimum course load of five find tosurvive theday. A central
-a puagrna lyst. e manl.-'y- i quarter hours and be-' mrkitng i ... feature is a human machine that
degree in civilengineering and the M.E. from the University of seeking students at UNF and who toward a degree. Jefferson is a meta-physicaal representa-
Roorkee, India. Midha also earned the M.B.A. degree from the can.demonstrate financial need, estimates the average loan will be tion of the American work force.
University of North Florida. Jefferson said. $80 per quarter, or $240 per year. Resident choreographer, Wilbert
Last Term, 61 per cent of our Repayment of the loans will be Bradley, has incorporated several
Dr. Antonio Serafim- Vasconcelos student body consisted of established when the loans are dances representing various
Dr. Anton1o Serafiu N asconcel os part-time students. "Because of made on dates and at a frequency occupations and stellar in this
our unusually large part-time mutually agreeable to the repertoire is a metaphorphosis of
Antonio Serafim Vasconcellos, associate professor of economics, student population, we feel University and the student four laborers into a prison chain
in the department of economics. Project PUSH blends perfectly borrower. gang.
Vs e d te Be f t Uni f with UNF's commitment to make "The University is very pleased The musical component of the
Dr. Vasconcellos earned the B.A. degree from the University of available financial aid programs that we can offer this loan Free Street Theater is an
California at Berkeley and the Ph.D. degree from Tulane that assist all students who, program to our part-time students outstanding aggregation called
University. without such aid, would be unable who may need a little help with ACROBAT. They will perform
He comes to UNF from the university of West Florida here he to attend college," he said. fees, books, transportation, child such numbers as "There's
was an associate professor of economics. According to Jefferson, all care, or other legitimate Nothing I Want in the Want
SFederal student aid programs educational expenses," Jefferson Ads," "Permanent Vacation,"
administered by UNF preclude said. "As far as I know, we are and "I Wish I Could Fly."
D Ro al W. an Hor the only public state institution to Free -Street Theater's appear-
-Career Day have such a program." ance in Jacksonville is a part of
Dean Ellis F. White announced the appointment of Royal W. Van Information on Project PUSH the Bold City Fest. Student
Horn as assistant professor of elementary and secondary education Slated For may be obtained by contacting Activities, with the support of
in the College of Education for the 1974-75 academic year. ted r the UNF Office of Student UNF Women's Club, is respon-
Dr. Van Horn earned the B.S.Ed. egree from Kearney State Financial Aid, 646-2600. sible for this outstanding creative
Dr. Van Horn earned the B.S.Ed. degree from Kearney State N T contribution to the University of
College Nebraska; and oth the Ed. and Ph.D. degrees fom the North Florida community.
University of Nebraska.-: :::
He comes to UNF from Doane College, Crete, Nebraska, where Students and faculty are invited
he was director of student teaching. to interact with over 35 employers W A S T IN G
planning to attend the first UNF
Career Exploration Day on Y T I
Wednesday, October 2 from 9:00 YOUR TIME?
DeLue's Essay Published a.m. to 3:30 p.m.
:Waste no more.
Dr. Steven M. DeLue has been informed by teaching g Political Tables identifying employers
Science," a national journal publishing out of the University of will be set up in the breezeways of Save yow best for an activity
-~ Minnesota, that his essay, "Individually Paced' Instruction and Buildings 1, 3, 8 and the Library
Political .Science," has been accepted Ifor publication. The essay area for employers to display I l you cLlash
evaluates some of the theories underlying the individually paced exhibits, pamphlets and hand-
instuction approach to education and its impact on political science ots. Students and faculty ae and e work experience.
encouraged to discuss career
opportunities with the organiza- Try your ha l at
Thomas Named Campus Minister tionseresented ADVERTISING

The Reverend Mr. Robert T. Thomason has been appointed as Many of the employers present benefits all
the first campus minister. A native of Dalton, Georgia, he holds will be returning to participate in
three degrees from Emory University. An ordained minister of the the On-Campus interview pro- i
United Methodist Church, Thomason has been a practicing gram that begins Monday, Contact THE HAL ARD,
attorney, a denominational youth director and a local pastor. Prior October 7. Representatives from
to coming to Jacksonville, he was a campus minister in Millegeville, UNF clubs and organizations will
Georgia, serving Georgia College, Military College and the Central act as hosts and hostesses. oom .1w wMUy. 9 d
State Hospital Affiliate Program in Psychiatric Nursing. -- .. .. 2a _:% ,. : .-

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The Halyard The Constitution:
Editor and Gnrl Manage.. A-o. Prof. W.J. Roch On Th Road To Dest action
Executive Editor... Ron Feinberg
Managing Editor... Drew Brunson Probably one of the most
controversial subjects of recent
weeks 'has'been President Gerald
t word's granting of a full pardon to
Am ericans Want, R su former president Richard Nixon.
Whether citizen Nixon is
B t U fortu nately... actually.guilty is immaterial in the
consideration of the President's
legal or ethical right to grant a
According to a recent Louis poll, pardon in this particular instance.
Americans are- rapid y losing The constitution is.probably the
confidence in the establishment most important source of
information concerning President
F ord's legal Of tCY grant osuch a
leadership of our major institutions. Ford's legal right to grant such a
pardon to Mr. Nixon. According
According to the poll, those leaders to the Constitution, the President
has the right to grant a full
showing the sharpest loss of pardon to a convicted felon except
c when the person is a former
confidence from 1966 to 1973 were political office-holder who was
convicted and impeached for
financial, business, and education crimes against the country.
leaders, with a 28 per cent loss of There is a strong possibility,
c nf idence. that if the Constitution of the
United States means anything,
The perceptive American public the pardon granted by President
not only expects, but demands Ford has no real meanin. For, it
productive results from its leaders. It were the former President to be
convicted of crimes against the
is true that the public can be lied to, United States performed while in
i' the Office of the President of the
and manipulated to a certain extent, United States.
but in the end the public still In the case of Mr. Nixon, he
was never formally indicted on
demands results. It has been any count for his alle ed
painfully obvious over the past few involvement in the Watergate
affair. Since he was never
years that the public school system indicted he was, quite obviously,
never brought to trial.
has declined in merit rather than euse t President F
Because of this President Ford
improved. Duval County for example, had no legal grounds for granting-
a pardon. For even though Mr.
unabashedly keeps lowering its Nixon resigned from office he an ethical consideration which Whether you approve or
never confessed to being guilty to must be duly reviewed. With the disapprove of the pardon,
minimum standards. of- academic yS aCusd number of Nixon supporters .consideration must be given to
en. ea y o cmmitting in the news media becnitg fewerbyle day and by the legalities and ethical
a t nie em ent each year. and the homes of America. the hour, it was perhaps not considerations of the pardon.
The number of excuses and obvious but it was evident, that a Unless elected government of-
Without a conviction or an large majority of the country ficials receive the same treatment
explanations are myriad, they include admission of guilt Mr. Nixon desired to see the former under the letter of the law that the
P would in no way be eligible for a president, if proven guilty, "common man" receives, the
such n exp nations as buss in g, pardon, nor would he be in need treated in the same manner as very basis on which this country
Sa of one. any other citizen of the United was founded is undermined and
inflation, previous administrations' States who was in a similar eventually ceases to exist.
Quite aside from the legal situation of facing conviction and Drew Brunson
ineptness, teacher apathy, and other implications of the pardon there is a possible prison sentence. Halyard Maagng Editor
oversimplified explanations.
SColleges and universities such as To Serve To Inform -To Teach--
UNF are cranking out an oversurplus l n
of teachers each year. Many of these T ks of UNF's Holyrd
would-be educators lack the skills and As The HALYARD enters its -Unlike other newspapers, to sell advertisements (and we'll
first full year of publication, we'd we're not a business -- a pay a commission) and to help us
talents necessary to teach others. like to remind our old readers and profit-making enterprise. Our circulate the newspaper. We'd
Some graduates for example, even tell our new readers about our purposes can be wrapped up in like to be able to get around and
o e grd e for goals and how they're entfvined that serious word: Service. We visit with you -- faculty and
have difficulty in reading and writing with the interests of each of you, exist to serve you, the reader, and administrators in your offices,
coherently. gaining experience for a future career service people in your
c- bi S mayenow This newspaper is neither a career. offices. With our small staff
The United Staes may now be student: newspaper nor an doing double duty, that just isn't
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attack and threaten to disintegrate of our efforts; we need to know events of interest to you.
Like any newspaper, we exist to what you'd like to find in the
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interpret news in columns, to you think we've fallen down -- about your department, your club
fundamental institution, the family. persuade through editorials, and andevenwhere you think we're or organization, or other activities
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Public policy makers and the and by talking to you in our news in the paper, come by and help us
Pu bi c poli m akers an th columns. Properly, we're trying We need your criticism. gather the information. We don't
university community must come up to bring you information you want consCiously leave news out -- we
as well as information we think And we welcome letter or justhaven't enough people to get
with the correct answers the proper you should have. articles fromour readers. In the around and find it.
questions, as well as providing the past, we've built a "Reader's We're in new quarters once
lPage" in each issue, utilizing Were in new quarters once
necessary~ leadership. These steps Unlike other newspapers, ideas and opinions from you, the o ne avtu You'lly gadgi
n s ..we're also an educational reader. We'd like to continue o u ulin
must be taken before public venture. The HALYARD is this, even expand it. We'dlike to usi Rom2 Buding thee
Li a written, edited and producedby give you, the reader, a "free. (the former Students Activities
confidence slips from a 28 to a 100 per students in ac our ,it'e of ideas" 'e offices). We'd like to hear from
confidence a college course. So, marketplace you -- and we can use your help.
also serves as a mirror of the
cent loss. efforts of students interested in -- And if you think you're not a PROFESSOR W.J.ROACH
FRANK STANFIEILD journalistic careers. writer, we have room for people






Page 8 October 2, 1974 THE HALYARD

Lucky Hats And Plastic Lures To No Avail



Fish Ignore Heat, Bait And Anglers

By FRANK E. STANFIELD
Fish, what fish? I winced when help much, especially when it
I heard the question, especially rains on your lucky hat.
since I did not have an answer for
my fishing partner. According to, As for the bait, plastic worms,
state spokesmen UNF's largest spoons and other artificial lures
lake had been stocked with bass did not stir the fish into action.
and other fish and was now ready Earlier I had wasted precious
for fishing.- fishing time running up and down
When the fish are not biting the road trying without success to
one or more factors could be the get live shiners from bait shops.
one or examore factors could be the What I ended up with instead was
cause, for example it could be the a can of worms and a box of brim
weather, the bait, or the lake a can of worms and a box of brim
weather, the bait, or the lake hooks. At least I did have a few
itself. It could even be that the nibbles by using them, but no
h cn inibe by using them, but no
fisherman did not bring his lucky catches.
hat along with him. After- being made fools of for
The lake seems to be some time (not an unusual
impressive enough. It is fairly occurence unfortunately), we
large, and even has an island with finally gave it up. As we drove off
a bridge leading out to it. The into the proverbial sunset I could
lake is man-made and is new. not help but wonder about several
Swimming is prohibited because "what ifs", such as what if the
of the sharp drop-offs and stumps weather had been different, what
and other debris on the bottom of if I had been able to use live
the lake. shiners, and what if the lake was
Because it is a new ecosystem not as new as it is? That what ifs
interesting phenomenon can be always haunt ambitious fisher-
seen by interested observers. men, -and the only known cure is
While standing on the bridge I to wet a line again later in the
noticed that thousands upon hopes that the what ifs turn into
Thousands of tadpoles could be "what fors."
seen schooling in a seemingly
endless stream. Frogs usually lay
hundreds of eggs but only a few
are hatched and even fewer reach
mental pressures exerted by Le
maturity because of the environM A ctiv i e
natural predators in the area. E n ric
With such, a large number of
tadpoles in the lake it is quite
possible that this is not what is
happening at UNF's lake. By next
spring the number of frogs
croaking on the lake shore should
be impressive, especially to
snakes and other predators that Es e for You
-are sure to show up.
Ire weather, I had to admit, ura
was not too cooperative whileThe Universityof North
fished. Even though the water The
temperature is the critical factor
in such considerations, hot and
sultry "dog days" do not seem to
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itE HALYARD october 2, 1974 Page 7






By STEVE HOLLAND ajoijy Oppo0ed To Kixt Pa)d -
0should have had enough dignity
Just as there is a wide range of pardoned. Any man in that be in the best interest of the interest. We need to know what should hve had enough dignity
controversy over the pardoning of position does not have time to run country," said John Edwards, crimes the President committed, togp o to trial nd accept the
former president Richard M. a campaign. The campaign was student. Edwardsalsofelt thatby in order to know how to prevent punishment.
Nixon on a national level, so to is delegated to other people who accepting the amnesty Nixon abuses of presidential power. The pardoning of Nixon is seen
that controversy prevalent among committed the crime," said Mike would be presumed guilty in the Of those who are against the by some as setting a bad
the students and faculty at the Bevell, a student. minds of most Americans. pardoning of Nixon some viewed precedent or as a threat to justice
University of North Florida it as a double standard of justice. itself.
(UNF). Some students, who generally Dr. Thomas M. Mongar, The pardoning of Nixon was a
approved of Nixon's pardon, felt Chairman of the Department of blatant contradiction of justice, "It's bad, it sets a precedent.
Opinions run the gammut of President Gerald Ford's timing Political Science and Public believes Carol Pollard, Admini- What are you going to say to the
those totally in favor of Nixon's was wrong. They believed that Administration views the pardon- strative Assistant. She cited the rest of the prisoners -- the guy
pardon, to those who demand that Nixon should have gone to trial ing of Nixon unfavorably. "Nixon example of George Jackson, a 17 that robbed food for his family?"
pNixon, gto tre w man d lt jti and should he have been wasn't indicted and we have no year old youth who was convicted asked Barbara Clapp, Secretary.
Nixon to trial and let justice convicted then pardon him. idea of what charges he -and sent to prison for stealing $75 "I don't think he'll ever tell the
run its cre committed. Suppressing the and who was later killed by prison truth about Watergate," she
"In the overall long run, the record of Presidential crimes is guards. "Nixon was elected on a said.
"Yes, Nixon should have been pardoning of Nixon will probably not in any sense in the national ticket of Law and Order, he
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UNIVERSITY OF


NORTH FLORIDA


BY RICKY CREWS take over a building or something we can ge this canoeingtingtg off University of North Florida off J. terribly bores people and they
Halyard Staff Writer sooner or later, the ground.... Turner Butler which is off Beach rarely stick around for the entire
r taf rter sooer or water For the time being it looks like Boulevard which is a new speech. A little while later I am
"Where do you go to school?" Abou t the best for a we'll just have to keep explaining University in its third year which approached and asked, hee
Where university to get into the spotlight connected with FJC did you-say you e-o -~s9q -
S lThe U iver'lsity tk-- th .in ttt1csL as JU's basketball or w' eUr o e er Edwrd Wt y either" "UNFFJ
Florida." Southern California's football people ask me I generally JU, or Edward Waters either. "UNF."
"Oh, which campus?" team stands to prove. Maybeif announce all at once, "The However, I have found that this "Oh, which campus?"

University of North Florida, Dear Editor: should it give the bisexual license time to thrive upon it. Suc
to behave and justify his behavior blackmail, backbiting, mistrust,
"Oh, I'm' sorry. Tell me, did
"Oh, I'm sorry. Tell me did letter in a manner totally irrational and and yes, 'neuroses, were
you know Artis Gillmore or did he h e rch oftendamagingtothose around unbelievably characteristic of a
graduate before you got there?" published under the; heading often damaging to those aroundha es o
graduate before you got there?Neuotic"I am a him who also exist in this world l ng
"No no, now you're thinking of heterosexual female who has common with each other aside
JU, UNF doesn't have a common with each -other asidi
JU, UNF doesn't have a spent the better part of the past As to ybur statistical infor- from their sex lives and
basketball team." year involved in the homosexual nation, please clarify your references". The sexual pre-
"Oh, I see, where s UNFsublture. My figures; the Kinsey reports were ference was used as an alibi to
"O h ee hee letters directed primarily tothe conducted in the early 50's, and sanction often indiscriminate
"Off Beach Boulevard." writer of the published letter and recent reports are numerous, the sexual, relationships on short term
"I know where it is now, only I all those individuals who share participants more open, and quite bases of unbelievable numbers.
thought it was part of FJC." his gevance. possibly they are more accurate. The temporary involvement
"Well, FJC South Campus is In addition, you did not specify seems to be a universal
off Beach Boulevard, this is the As to being "trapped" in this that the 37% is truly characteristic of homosexuals and
University 0f North Florida." situation, I wish to point out to the homosexual incidences, in bisexuals. This could lead into
"Ok, I got it now." writer that no one MUST be periods usually less than three volumes of discussion on what
Ok I got it now. trapped in any such manner. years, and not necessarily a values are intrinsic in such
"Are you sure?" Simply accepting bi or homo- lifelong preference, relationships, so I will nt enter
/ "Yea, the University of North sexual tendencies does not that point of the controversy here.
Florida, only I though that it was require the person to follow My reasons for replying to your ... .
off Lem Turner." through on his sexual drives t letter are quie strongly felt. I You maintain that your sex life
If you've never been in a whatever extent he seems to feel have recently shared a part of my was "predestined by the
conversation like this, you're Letters to the editor should is appropriate. People who are life with a member the opposite socialization process of society
either not connected with UNF, or always be brief and to the point heterosexual do not necessarily se wssho purposely suchtime as he bwh point out that above all else
nobody likes you enough to ask All letters attended for publiea- feel that by nature they must thoughts" until such time as "he by which I was thppasltrein
you anything. Not only is UNF a tioe must be signed and Include carry on sexual relationships with thought I mightacept it as "n association with the, "subculture"
new school that few people know the writer'sfill address, although the opposite sex merely because integral pardeceit and his personality', is the almostinvariablebelief by
anything about, but many seem to nuaes will be withheld upon their "sex preferences are not of Just such deceit and a playing or it members that their situation
become terribly confused when request. The editor reserves the their own choosing". (If your (preying) on the emotions of can be "blamed" on society or a
discussing it. riht t srte lettersto make sexual preferences aren't of your others is just 'one of the reasons third (or more) parties, but never -
number of ways have been them onm to space limitations own choosing, whose are they?) "straight" people have become upon themselves? You maintain
A number of ways haheterosexual exercises leary of bi and homosexuals. It strongly that you are quite normal
suggested to give UNF some his sexuality with your sort of does not take long for an and not neurotic, but contradict
recognition. One way is placing rationality- please consider the individual to develop a notorious yourself in your persistene.
signs all along the highways celibacy of the Catholic priest. reputation for any specific reason, Bisexuality and homosexuality
leading to UNF like those that hood, the convents and the and when it is done by a member are seldom utopian existences.
guide. tourists. One-hundred monasteries; better yet, those of a minority group or subculture, Those individuals involved are
miles to the University of North individuals who by their own it quickly spawns prejudice and very often desperately unhappy,
Florida -- Drink beer while choosing do not care to become fear on the part of others. and no, it is not totally due to
alligators swim only a few yards involved with others sexually social ostracism. There is too
away. See the infamous unin- merely on the grounds that it was Having been thrown into your often a large trace of the
hibited ducks. See students "quite predestined by the subculture through my relation- masochist and unfortunately the
attend class while the university socialization process of society". ship with a bisexual, I was offered sadist in each one. Please take
is actually being built. 99 miles to a first hand and shocking view of another look at yourself, "sir.
the.... the subculture not usually There is more here than meets
The point I wish to make is that available to "straights". I was so your understandably defensive
Another way suggested to gain, bisexuality should not be appalled by the melancholy which eye.
publicity would be to form some sanctified as a universal improve- pervaded the lives of so many Withheld on Request
sort of an exchange with Berkley. ment on heterosexuality, nor people who seemed a the same Name Withheld on Request
Some of them would be sure to.



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