Transcription of a letter from the Baron de Carondelet to the Prince of Peace that begins "May it please Your Excellency...


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Transcription of a letter from the Baron de Carondelet to the Prince of Peace that begins "May it please Your Excellency…" and contains a memorial to the King from M. William Panton and the Panton, Leslie, and Co.
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Greenslade Papers
1797, July 1
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Cont. Copy, 7 p.

BI 98

May it please Your Excellency


The Baron de Carondelet commandant

General of the Provinces of Luisiana

& West Florida, incloses a memorial

from M. William canton a British

merchant, who in the three provinces

of Louisiana & the Two Floridas pro-

vides the necessary Trade for the

Indian nations Talapuch, Cherokees

Chactaws & Chickesawsj he shews

the absolute necessity of a quick

decision on his memorial (of which

he makes no doubt but that the

tranquility of these Provinces de-

pend) either by determining on the

indemnification to be given to the

House of Panton in order to en-

courage them to continue the trade

with the same fidelity & effective

manner which they have done for

twelve years past, recommending to

I send to Your Excellency the

memorial NH 1 from if illiam

Panton, 4T John Forbes Leslie

& Company, merchants established

in the Floridas for the Trade with

the Indian nations Talapuohe

Alhabamas Cherokees Chactaws

& Chikesaws, whose good & Loyal

Services have rendered them

worthy of the attention & favours

of His Majesty, even although poli-

tical motives & the security of

these possessions should not re-

quire it- In my private letter

the to fellow the plan

a.opte-. by1 his Anteessacro, or by

admitting the propositions made

by the same as e.pears in letter

No 41 of 27th July 17V4 to the

Minister of State, or at lest, if

it is true that the Colony is

given to the French, to insert in

the Artio3e of Cession a Clause

for the purpose of Sheltering that

House from a total ruin, from

which their good services & equity

ought to preserve them.

A! 41 dated 27 July 1784 whioh

for being so intimately connected

Kith -the present I request of your

Excellency to peruse. X enforced

the motives which existed then to

admit the propositions which e.

William Panton made to His MajesEty

Via to /ell him his Shipping,

Houses, Stores, Wharfs, Negries,

Horses, Cattle &c which ib possesses

in the Provinces of Louisiana, &

Two Floridas, & receiving from the

Crow Four Hundred Thousand Dollars,

under sufficient Securities An

order to procure from England the

Goods & Effects proper for the

Trade with the Indians, & paying

to him the same commission which

his house has paid uhtill this

time to their Correspondents; That

he would direct for account of the

King that considerable Trade, until

some of His Majestys subjects are

enabled to follow it themselves, in

which Case the Real H?.oaindia could

sell them tho Housse, Stores, Ships,

Slaves &a employed in this Tr&de

But circumstances having

entirely altered by the Treaty of

Friendship, Limits &c concluded

with the United States of America,

by which the Indian Nations above

named are within the line of the

Territories of the Said States, the

trede being to remaiintn Common

between Spain & them, it would ap-

pear that the permanence or

retiring of the House of Panton

ought to be very Indifferent to

Spain; but it is a know truth

that the Indians are only attached

to those that purchase their hunt

& in exchange give them powder

Ball & every other necessary, that

not only they look with indifference

but will ever plunder & rob those

that do not Trade with them, and

give them presents; That the poli-

oy of the United States with regard

to these unhappy people, can tend

tut to tWc objecLs, Vi*. t.o civi-

lise tham by obliging th&em to

work for their S3ub.!stenne, or to

dortro/ them in order .*aft3rwvrds

to sell & people the fertile and

beautiful landE which they now

c =cu.y.-- The first of these is

unattainable on account of the

natural indolence of those tribes,

:-qsustimed to idlenes., a who hold

as vile all work of their hands,

and the second cannot be effected

unless. the gsestcr part ea.lgrate,

as they have elreaiy 3c'Imenced to

do to the West Bsnks of the Missi-

!ipri, whcrT spreellia ill those

iee&utiful regions they throw into

ConfuEion the Iadian NationlE

th&t inhabit them, furnishing them

with arms, of which they make use

to Commit devastations and destroy

the Internal Provincfs, wherefore

it is evident how indispensable it

becomes to Spain to preserve the

afoction of the Indians through the

meanr of a commerce or trade more

advantageous than that they have

with the nAericans; to maintain

them in the possession of their

lend through the same meanE, which

will also prevent. the danger of

their excursions & frequent robberies

to these Province, without which

they can never arrive to a State of

prosperity & population sufficient

to restrain the Americans, nor to

keep them from our frontiers, as

likewise to make them reject these

Dominions of His iMajesty bordering

their oin, which can only be obtained

while those Nations extremely fearful

of the Americans are kept attached

to Spain.-

At present there is no

House of Ccmmerce in this Province

capable to undertake that of the

Nations vhich Mr Panton Eui.plies,

The State cannot do it on its own

Account without an immense expense;

War forbids the plan proposed in the

Year 1794 by the House of Psnton

which I just mentioned. This last

means to retire on Account of the

considerable losses which he has

sustained during the French War,

& the present with England, as

appears by the Account No 2, which

expresses the number & quality of

the Vessels belonging to him that

were taken during those Intervals,

& besides disgusted by the Innovs-

tions vhich the Intandant p Interim

M. John Venture Morales has intro-

duced in the dispatch of his Vessels,

which hiA Ant.eceLcoes never thought

of, & rhich are productive of no

benefit to the Royal Exchequer

In this Etate of things

and instigated by the irremediable

inconveniences of a delay in receiving

his Majesty's resolution, as the

Indians will find themselves without
trade from the commencement / of May

next, a circumstance which the United

States will most certEinly avail

themselves of for the ruin of these

Subjects of His Majestyl I pray Your

Excellency in the most earnest TIntance

to deign to dispatch the decision of

this affair, either by determining the

indemnification which His Majesty ;ay

think proper to Grant to the House

of Panton in order to engag., them

to continue the Trade with the same

fidelity & constant method which they

have done for these twelve Years poLt,

& to enjoin to the Intendant to follow

the plan adopted by his predecessors,

supposing that Epain should preserve

the possessions of Louisiana end Two

Florid.s; or by admitting the before

mentioned proposition of the Ye.r

1794 made by the same House in case

that peace should be concluded be-

fore the receipt of this represents-

tion; o- at last in case that the

Cession of this Colony to the French

Republic should take place by

including in the Articles a clause

that should shelter thi /House from

a total ruin, from which their good

Services & equity ought naturally

to preserve them.

In the mean time I shall

do my utmost to moderate the incon-

siderate Seal of this Intendant, as

likewise cto per3suadce the House3

of Panton to lengthen the time they

assigned for the suspension of their

Trade, but I fear the losses they

have sustained will not permit them-

God preserve Your ?'iellencyr

many Years

New Orleana 1st July 1797


In English

The Baron de Caron


Letter to the Prince

of Peace dated
1 July 1797 &

which accompanied

our Memorial to

the King 20th June